Phil Woods Hub (110mm)

I am thinking about at bike with the old 110mm track spacing at the rear but before I go with this I got to be sure I can actually get a 110mm rear hub. Phil wood does 110mm hubs.

Who does Phil Wood in London then...?

Quite a few places, Condor, Brixton Cycles, Cycle Fit... I'm pretty sure Brick Lane Cycles do too.

Who said they were going to NYC and would bring stuff back? Use that. Cheapest and best method if you're sure about what you need.

My commuter has a 1960s track frame with 110mm rear spacing, but I've done a terrible thing to it and fitted a 120mm hub as they are much easier to come by. The frame is steel and so flexible enough to bend the stays outwards ever so slightly. Rides like a dream.

OP - are you looking at a 110 spaced keirin frame? If so, you should be aware that the dropouts will be 8mm instead of 10mm so you will need the right axles or you will need to file them.

I was actually thinking of building a British 'Retro' Track - I was thinking of having a new frame built but with shot in seat stays and 110mm rear spacing for an ultra sleek look - depends on two things thoughg - finding a Phil wood 110 in the first instance and a Campag 110 in the second.

Sounds cool, but the 10mm difference is gonna be a bit of a pain in the ass in terms of parts and might not be that noticeable in terms of sleekness. By the way, shot in seatstays didn't really become popular until the 80s. If you are gonna go for 110mm for retro reasons then I would recommend scalloped or wrapover seatstays to match. Check out classic rendezvous for lots of pics of old british bikes.

like this?
bit big I know.

http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=2609

Nah, like mine:

All the way over you see :)

ah both look good though.

Dura Ace definitely make a 110 hub.

Those DA hubs are the ones with 8mm slotted axles (an old, but still used, keirin standard). Choosing a custom British frame with 110mm/8mm spacing would be just wilfully giving yourself headaches over parts which a lot of people go to a bit of trouble (respacing and filing trackends) to avoid.

David have you got anymore photos of your Bob Jackson....? it looks like a rather beautiful bike

Momentum, I think you have caused me to err on the side of caution, nearly all the vintage campag hubs I can find come 120 mm

now of course I have to ponder the seat stays as I had kinda fallen madly in love with these lugs

maybe I'll have to go 'retro 80's'

bling

nice. Those seat stays are fastback which I think is also quite a classic european disign however I am not sure about their history on the track though.

hey momentum, check it out

http://www.merciancycles.com/graphix/1970_full_strada_special.jpg

Mercian were doing shot in stays in 1970

And you can have a 'Road Track' in any style frame

You seem very knowleadable

How hard will it be to track down super record or record parts ...?

Will at Hubjub has recently been speaking to Phil Wood about 110mm hubs - I think the price he was talking was the same as the the high flange Phil Wood they already stock. Otherwise you could talk to someone like Royce who I think can make you a single-fixed hub in 110mm.

That's cool - didn't realise that shot in stays were around in the 70s. I think that the 110mm spacing was phased out in the 50s so the retroness would still not necessarily be period correct. I reckon shot in stays look awesome and would look great on a new frame.

You should be able to find various record parts quite easily (although pista stuff is getting more and more expensive as the fixed trend increases) and some of these (e.g. hubs I think) are the same as super record. The super record group is harder to find cos it wasn't made for that long and attracts higher prices. I saw the other day that benscycles in the US has a NOS super record cranbkset in the box for $900! C-record took over from super record and it is fairly hard to find and always expensive cos it looks so nice (e.g. the famous "sheriff star" hubs). A good condition 170mm crankset just went for about £150 on ebay.

None of this stuff is easy to find in 110m spacing so I reckon your task will be easier if you go for 120mm - respacing a new custom frame would be a shame!

I think 120 wouldn't really compromise a nice sleek look, especially with shot in stays. Any loss in aesthetics would definately me made up for by being able to find a nice hub. Does anyone know why the spacing changed from 110 to 120?

There may be an answer here:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html

Momentum That's cool - didn't realise that shot in stays were around in the 70s. I think that the 110mm spacing was phased out in the 50s so the retroness would still not necessarily be period correct. I reckon shot in stays look awesome and would look great on a new frame.

You should be able to find various record parts quite easily (although pista stuff is getting more and more expensive as the fixed trend increases) and some of these (e.g. hubs I think) are the same as super record. The super record group is harder to find cos it wasn't made for that long and attracts higher prices. I saw the other day that benscycles in the US has a NOS super record cranbkset in the box for $900! C-record took over from super record and it is fairly hard to find and always expensive cos it looks so nice (e.g. the famous "sheriff star" hubs). A good condition 170mm crankset just went for about £150 on ebay.

None of this stuff is easy to find in 110m spacing so I reckon your task will be easier if you go for 120mm - respacing a new custom frame would be a shame!

It is a real pleasure speaking with you, it really helps to bounce these ideas about and get some input, the Campag catalogues are avaliable on -line, http://www.tuttocampybici.com/catalogs.php , according to these the 110 mm hub spacing was still around in 1970, but I have been watching ebay and I haven't seen any 110 hubs come up, which was why I was thinking of Phil's SLR'S at least in the short term, I'll probably ask Mercian when I go to see if I they can source some hubs, I like the idea of 110mm, beacuse its a bit different, but it ain't going to work unless I got them hubs in my hand...:)

the C-Records is beautiful did you see that LAfixed Eddie Merckx built by Gomi all done out in C-Record