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giving mine a thorough winter clean tomorow, so will weight it then, they are quite heavy, i think it was the first thing i said when i held just the frame, but in most peoples applications for them weight's not a massive issue.
Pm Amey though, he's selling his gt ssmtb, could use an eccentric bb/hub for fixed, or change the dropouts, thinner tubing so it might be lighter?