EHBPA - European Hardcourt Bike Polo Association

Hi All

This came through to the LHBPA email for consideration.

*I'm Jason, from France, I want to organise the Euro committee.
Fin came to me through the french forum.
I would like you to just check the proposal out.
*
http://www.pignonfixe.com/showthread.php?tid=61189&pid=1745608#pid1745608

What do people think? Jason would appreciate comments.

Tim

Also, props to Fin for making things happen!

Nice work Jason. The system looks good in principle.

~150 city reps will never work. It would have to be regional reps. Regional allocation should be based on number of players and geographic proximity (e.g. France, UK + Ireland, Benelux, Iberia, Germany etc etc).

So, create regions and have a one rep for each region. Keep the remit simple too, focus on a few key objectives and do them well: Euros + Euro Bench, Rules, Promotion+ Development, Sponsorship+Fundraising. Once it gets bigger you can expand the remit.

Regional reps is about organising time that I don't have time to spend.
Those groups as you say are in practice incompatible, those that you quoted doesn't have even the same language. And then, what about the small countries? Impossible to include them in a fair distribution of regions.
Where do you put Turkey?
All those questions are avoided. Those reps are here to represent every entity that stands correctly in Europe. Maybe 4 countries in Europe can talk about having a national organisation. What about the 24 others? Who is going to motivate a person that is going to handle a whole region? It has been almost impossible for one person to stand in front of the problem and spend time on the solution.
Those are rhetorical.
I am not new to the problem. I have studied it and came up with this solution. This would last for this year, and would work. Those 150 people are asked to vote once, it is not impossible.

Those key objectives are far from what the committee can accomplish on this first year. Euro2015 is objective number one. Rules, objective number 2. if we can accomplish that, that would be a huge thing already. Those others you proposed are for NAH with their 4years of existence.

Jason

Great work Jason. Could a north, east, west, south split work better?

Based on the LOBP statistics..
North: Denmark, Finland, Norway, United Kingdom
South: Spain, Italy, Portugal, Turkey,
East: Austria, Czech, Croatia, hungary, Latvia, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Russia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Ukraine
West: Belgium, Switzerland, Germany, France, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands

It's unbalanced at the moment so could be altered.
Another way is: EHA>> East/West >> E.north/E.south/W.north/W.south >> Countries >> Cities >> Individuals

surely Ireland in with the UK?

sorry yeah, my bad. but it's just a suggestion. Doesn't really matter where it is for now.

Or UK -> West, and Germany -> North?

This thread needs diagrams.

Guys, distributing by region is much more dependant on people who are involved.
Whereas when it is like I proposed there is no intermediary steps, so less time spent on format. This system would allow one election only. So way easier to organise.

The region system can be applied later on.
If the committee find it relevant.

The discussion about regions is too complicated.
No easy way to split, and we only have "western" europe that is talking about that, so it is not fair for the eastern part.

The NAH has hundreds of club reps, I don't see why that can't work in Europe. All they need to do is vote once a year for 9 reps, and be a contact point for the club.

Thanks for the info Jason. I would clarify in your description that it is only one vote a year. I thought that the committee would be directly responsible to the players, checking proposals with them, rather than the committee making executive decisions.

John how does NAH manage communications with hundreds of clubs? Can clubs make proposals?

I will clarify.

Regarding NAH, there are multiple layers (similar to Jason's proposal).

Club reps talk to their players
Regional reps talk to their club reps.

Regional reps approve decision made by the staff (Ben S, Joe R, Nick K, me)

We make the proposals, and have them approved by the reps. If it's a major decision it may go to voting for all club reps.

If a club wants to make a proposal they contact us directly.

that's in the spirit of what I proposed.
We just have less "regional reps" in my committee proposal.
And the Staff in NAH is not elected, whereas in my proposal the staff is supposed to be elected.

This is sounding really good. I still think you need to include regional distinction somehow. What if all 9 members were from western europe? Alternatively reduce it to 1 committee member per country to promote more diverse representation. Also why 9?

9 is to avoid conflicts in votes. There would always be a majority. Most of the people who spoke in LoBP were talking about 10people.
9 per countries would be hard to apply, because western people has way more chances to be implicated in Euro matters.
One per country is hard too, maybe there would be not enough people to choose from.

What I mean is if you have a 9 member committee, the maximum per country should be 1 rather than 3. Otherwise you could hypothetically end up having 3 from uk, 3 from france, 3 from germany. Not very representative.

Is there are reason it is specifically 9 (and not 7, 11, 13 etc).

I think we should base the quotas on dedication, wich has been the real problem so far, and not representativeness. If three people from the same country (city, area, etc) want to get involve (wich I sincerly doubt) and get elected, so be it. It'll still be a major improvement !

This needs to happen.

Does it really matter what the number of reps is? Get it working and change it if it's wrong.

Yep, what Louis said. Just get it started and and change it underway, if needs be. Otherwise this'll go down the route that we normally take it down in the UK: Let's talk loads about it and point out what's wrong, but never do anything.

https://leagueofbikepolo.com/forum/organizing-polo/2011/01/07/european-polo-association-discussion-have-your-say#comment-125047

Now proposition updated.
Keep on thinking, and keep your comments for LoBP.

People were thinking that 10-12 is a limit. I chose 9 to keep representativness at it's best.
7 seems too less.
On the committee as I see it I expect something like 6 western european and 3 eastern one. If it would be 7, then 5-2 or even 6-1. That's not enough representative for me. I know this is speculation, but this seems better.
Anyway the committee would do it's best to fix the default they would face.

And still I would rather have some involved people from UK Fr and Ge than non involved from Eastern europe.

Thanks Jason, I actually think it's a great idea. I was just trying to provide some constructive criticism by playing devil's advocate. We've been working on a similar model for a UK association.

We've been working on a similar model for a UK association.

woop!

Have you spoken to Tim about this? I think he and Jess did some preliminary work on it, building on the constitution Rob snottyotter and I drafted a year or two ago...

We've been working

he and Jess did some preliminary work...

snottyotter and I drafted...

Pics or it never happened.