Running

I'm out

Hill reps with a club tonight. Christ. It burns.

6k tonight, endurance pace but tempo heart rate.

#doingitwrong

5k hilly circuit. Ouch.

I just ran round Forest Hill Sainsbury- had to bribe myself with a milkshake to make the finish.

http://www.strava.com/activities/108042638

8x600m @ 7:20 pace, 400m recovery

Felt much easier than last weeks intervals but i skipped a 4 mile easy run yesterday as was mega hungover so the rest probably helped

Hill reps with a club tonight. Christ. It burns.

Did exactly this tonight, but the recovery jog was about 3 miles with three lamp post sprints the third if which was about 150m long!

I just ran round Forest Hill Sainsbury- had to bribe myself with a milkshake to make the finish.

http://www.strava.com/activities/108042638

I'd call 150bpm endurance rate on a run..

I'd call it a hard bike ride, I'm not sure this is accurate, but my hr is higher for a given perceived effort level on a run vs bike

Good point, I'd looked at the wrong graph (which is easier to do with the new view in Strava) and thought I'd averaged 165.

So- endurance HR on an endurance run, I feel slightly better about that.

From the little I know, it sounds a but like a dislocated shoulder.

Thats my reading of it too, only permanently dislocated.. i blame cycling for making ignorant to observing pain.

On the plus side she is right.. I do have awesome pecs

I'm out

Ok not out.. I used to smoke as well, did it for 6 years. During a period when I was living on Mallorca, I befriended quite some Swedes that were doing snus. Eager to learn new stuff, I tried it and quite liked the taste of it. When I started to snus more often, I noticed that passively the need for smoking was reduced, because I got nicotine from the snus. As it was in that period that I started cycling, I tried to minimise smoking so that I could explore the beautiful island on my first road bike. Snus helped a great deal, though with all the partying going on I could't really quit smoking.
Months later, back in the Netherlands, I was demotivated from cycling by the lack of mountains and beautiful nature, and the smoking habit was back at a pack a day. I didn't have snus to keep me from it and there was no real motivation because I didn't ride as much as I wanted to.
Then came my personal recession. I simply couldnt afford to smoke anymore, so I went online to search for cheap snus and ordered a roll of 10 cans. It took a little while to arrive, but the day it did I quit smoking cold fucking turkey. After about 3 months I also quit snusing as that was much more easy than to quit smoking without a substitute.

Downside of the story is that a year (or 2) later I got a girlfriend who smoked, I started again, we broke up, I started snusing again and never quit since. That's over a year ago now.

The moral of this story: If you're trying to quit smoking, snus might help as it did help me. Northerner is imo the best place to order and if you register you get access to 5-15% discounts which they have quite often.

vaping- win

Mouth cancer > lung cancer

What's this got to do with running?

Sure there are relevant threads for all manner of poison, go there and post>>>>>>

Ok not out.. I used to smoke as well, did it for 6 years. During a period when I was living on Mallorca, I befriended quite some Swedes that were doing snus. Eager to learn new stuff, I tried it and quite liked the taste of it. When I started to snus more often, I noticed that passively the need for smoking was reduced, because I got nicotine from the snus. As it was in that period that I started cycling, I tried to minimise smoking so that I could explore the beautiful island on my first road bike. Snus helped a great deal, though with all the partying going on I could't really quit smoking.
Months later, back in the Netherlands, I was demotivated from cycling by the lack of mountains and beautiful nature, and the smoking habit was back at a pack a day. I didn't have snus to keep me from it and there was no real motivation because I didn't ride as much as I wanted to.
Then came my personal recession. I simply couldnt afford to smoke anymore, so I went online to search for cheap snus and ordered a roll of 10 cans. It took a little while to arrive, but the day it did I quit smoking cold fucking turkey. After about 3 months I also quit snusing as that was much more easy than to quit smoking without a substitute.

Downside of the story is that a year (or 2) later I got a girlfriend who smoked, I started again, we broke up, I started snusing again and never quit since. That's over a year ago now.

The moral of this story: If you're trying to quit smoking, snus might help as it did help me. Northerner is imo the best place to order and if you register you get access to 5-15% discounts which they have quite often.

A pre-prepared Snus sachet contains the same amount of nicotene as 3 cigs. Its a real problem up here now that smoking is banned everywhere, and has become socially unacceptable. Half my rugby team snus'd, and I have quite a few ex-pat mates that simply would'nt consider smoking. Heavily addicted to nicotene because of it. Now moving to vaping. In my opinion, its an improvement, on them wondering around with a fat lip full of festering tobacco. But the smoking like action of vaping has led to them having a cig with me, when we're drinking. So the opposite of what you posted is also true.

TLDR? Snus is rank.

I'd call 150bpm endurance rate on a run..

I'd call it a hard bike ride, I'm not sure this is accurate, but my hr is higher for a given perceived effort level on a run vs bike

I try to keep my HR over 150 when running. Otherwise its simply jogging. Thing is, as soon as I go over 160, I start to fatigue pretty quickly. If I go over 170 on a climb, I'm hanging afterwards.

These zones feel really narrow, and far less stable than cycling HR zones.

Planning a nice lakeside 10km tonight in my 'bare foot' shoes. Bit risky, as its -2C out. But The roads seem pretty ice free.

I should probably log my warmups separately as it skews my avg hr readings but looking at my intervals last night what you just said is pretty spot on for me as well...

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/433714363

Trying to share my personal experience that may suit as advise.

I should probably log my warmups separately as it skews my avg hr readings but looking at my intervals last night what you just said is pretty spot on for me as well...

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/433714363

The higher HR for running vs cycling is pretty well documented. Its the rate of change that interests me. When I'm approaching max on the bike, I dot panic, I simply try to level it off (easy to say while sitting at my desk, not half way up a 9% climb). But when I running I dont feel I have the same level of control.
Anyway.
Look like well executed intervals. Pretty impressive HR recovery rate too.

Is the cadence data from the watch unit, or a separate foot pod. Keep meaning to buy a footpod for my 910xt.

Trying to share my personal experience that may suit as advise.

........So the opposite of what you posted is also true.

I was just offering a counter view.

I was refering to Ed. I didn't say snus is any better than smoking, but it does spare your lungs if you want to practice sports and it helped me quit smoking. In the end it's all shit but hey, a man's gotta enjoy unhealthy things right?

Is the cadence data from the watch unit, or a separate foot pod. Keep meaning to buy a footpod for my 910xt.

from the hrm-run that comes with the FR620 which tracks it as part of the running dynamics stuff.

was just looking at the vo2max estimate on the watch too. it puts me at 52 which is massively overestimated (it predicts my 5k time at 19:58) but it's interesting to see it trend upwards as I've gotten more into my training plan (it started out at 47 I think)

*actually I think the cadence is actually in the watch not the hrm, the oscillation is in the hrm.

The VO2max is a bit of a guesstimate. Much easier to calculate using power data beside HR data. Which you simply dont have running. I havent done this in detail. But from my turbo training I can say that my VO2max drops when I'm smoking, while my lactic threshold stays the same. As cycling speed is more dependant on lactic threshold over time, and running speed more related to VO2max. It affects my running far more than cycling. Been smashing recent times since I quit.

Yeah. If you're not wearing a footpod, it'll be from an accelerometer in the watch.

Useful for logging intense masterbation efforts in your trainingpeaks log. I'm pushing for a strava section for this. No joy as of yet.

probably too short... fnar.

First run since October last year - started with the intention of doing 16k, which then dropped to 10k, and ended up as under 8k.

So my plan of being super refreshed and loving running has failed.

I may take up darts instead.