Foffa Bikes

You could also say they are similar to a fuji track or one of those revolution jobbies that Edinburgh cycles sell. Or even more so to pre cursa which also allows you to customise parts, although is far from a custom bike.

So would it be your ex-British slevless mech or "Wiggle's team of qualified bike mechanics" who need me to show them how to cable a bike?

Congratulations on getting your product retailed by a national, but I've yet to see any "boutique" brand who's quality has been improved once it has felt the heavy hand of chainstore economics on its collar.

Similarly, going "on-line only" is a smart move for you, bearing in mind why people continue to patronise their LBS.

Whatever kudos I felt was due to you for turning up here and answering your critics, has been burnt on the pyre of your most recent posts: perhaps you will be able to afford to hire someone more skilled at dealing with the public in future?

One last nail in your coffin: (oh) Jeez is on your side.

I can tell you now. I spent 3 months on ebay before finding a really good value steel bike with pretty much full dura ace components. I then serviced it myself to a decent standard...

then flogged it on LFGSS at a massive markup?

One last nail in your coffin: (oh) Jeez is on your side.

He isnt on Danni's side, and he's making quite a balanced point I thought.

I know I said it was going to be my last post but I just can't resist the temptation to ask any of you then if we can't use the words 'bespoke' or 'custom' as we don't customise frame geometries (which is a fair point), but don't do off-the-shelf bikes as we offer millions of combinations, nor colour coded bikes as we offer plenty of different parts, then what words are we allowed to use before causing a riot?

Not sure how all of this is relevant since we will stop offering options anyway, but I just want to be clear as to why some people keep getting so upset for simple semantics.

Aroogah, I am really glad this community site worked out for you, unfortunately this is not our case as whenever we would try back in the days to ask for some feedback we simply would get people slagging us off and saying how people with expertise, tools and plenty of time to search for Ebay deals can build better bikes. We have given the public the chance to help us shape a company which started pretty much from scratch and that was willing to listen to other people's options (something that not many companies are open enough to do) and there have been very helpful people along the way, but that was the minority. And yes I have been to track days at Herne Hill and Polo events in the past which were actually quite fun. With a young son and a time-consuming job I simply don't have the time that I used to any longer.

ExTra, I am not sure how I have insulted you (I certainly didn't mean to), I have many good Chinese friends but from what I read it seems that Chinese working conditions are usually not as good as Taiwanese ones.

And PQR, we have suggested many times for anyone to come down to our shop and actually try the bikes out. Strangely enough in 5 years nobody has actually done this yet which certainly makes people think. We have also asked for feedback to keep improving our bikes and all we keep getting is a 'your bikes are too expensive and of poor quality' which clearly is not very constructive.

Let me say this again, if anybody would like to come down to test one of our bikes out and write their honest review on this forum so that everybody can have a better idea of what our bikes actually are like based on facts and not perception, they are more than welcome to!

I like the fact that 'Foffa' sounds like a mildly explosive hangover fart.

unfortunately this is not our case as whenever we would try back in the days to ask for some feedback we simply would get people slagging us off and saying how people with expertise, tools and plenty of time to search for Ebay deals can build better bikes.

is feedback, no? you choose to call it slagging of, but that's just simple semantics.

...Let me say this again, if anybody would like to come down to test one of our bikes out and write their honest review on this forum so that everybody can have a better idea of what our bikes actually are like based on facts and not perception, they are more than welcome to!
Regardless of all the foregoing, that's a fair offer of the "put your money where your mouth is" variety.

Let me get this right, you are saying people are slagging your bikes without experiencing them first hand. Point taken and it's certainly a fair one. But can't you see you are applying the exact same theory when you made the comparison about the working conditions between the Chinese and Taiwanese? Have you had any first hand experience working in either setting yourself? I doubt you have from what you have said, you can read all you like, hear all you can, but does any of what you have been told hold any truth? I am not saying the working condition in China is better or worse than anywhere else, in fact, I dont know and I do believe what I have read from the media but I will never dare to say the quality of their products are potentially worse than anywhere else and it could potentially be down to their poorer working conditions.

I think what everyone is trying to point out to you, and you clearly isn't or refusing to see is that it really doesn't hurt to have some modesty when you want to build a lasting business that is loved by a particular community.

Back to your wheels, for example, you should have done your research before you even buy the products, I was very tempted to grab myself a bargain after hearing your claim that your rims come from the same factory as the h+son, and if I had bought those wheels, I would be have been wanting a refund. Yes they might well be very good wheels, but as a matter of fact, they are not what it says on the tin, If you want to have good relationships with your customers, which are the same people who, if you don't mind me point it out bluntly, pay your wages, then you need to be honest with them. There is absolute nothing wrong with selling OK quality bikes and parts, as long as they are at the right price. But there is everything wrong when you try to sell something that is clearly overpriced.

I think the issue here, for me at least, is the attitude and the lack of honesty.

I'll happily add my name to the list of those who feel the constant trolling and slagging off of Foffa is a bit much.

Credit where credit's due, Foffa has grown from one guy tarting flipping some old bangers to a business that's collaborated with some pretty big brands, they're available (or at least have been sighted/seem to be being advertised) in multiple countries, they seem to employ a least a few guys...

As many have said, there's plenty of buyers mugs that'll cough up the cash for a Foffa and there's also plenty of other brands that are happy to make a quick and easy buck on the back of the explosion in the popularity of cycling and the inexperience and laziness of the majority of the market.

Being able to choose the colour of the grease in your hubs may not bother 90% of the usership of LFGSS but as Velocio's anecdote about his Create owning pal shows, for some buyers it's important. And looking at how Foffa has grown and the number of other paint by numbers brands that exist its a sizeable portion of the market.

Apart from anything else, there's zero need to lambast the merchandise when Danni pours the shit all over himself so adeptly. I bet even if the Foffa range had been received with nought but praise he'd find a way of making himself look like an utter knob.

TLDR - Slagging the Foffa brand is getting old. What they do and how they do it isn't new or unusual and IMO Danni's utter social retardation is worthy of way more attention anyway.

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http://vimeo.com/20824379

I'd like to think my rims were made by whomever it was that was rocking the Aphex t-shirt. Hypnotic video.

Brilliant video. Makes me wanna buy some rims.

I know I said it was going to be my last post but I just can't resist the temptation to ask any of you then if we can't use the words 'bespoke' or 'custom' as we don't customise frame geometries (which is a fair point), but don't do off-the-shelf bikes as we offer millions of combinations, nor colour coded bikes as we offer plenty of different parts, then what words are we allowed to use before causing a riot?

Bikes.

Which is decent progress.

Point taken ExTra, I can see that my belief is based on perception and not knowing the facts and I am sure that some working conditions are still better in China than some Taiwanese factories. I did use the word 'usually' not 'always', so I wasn't trying to generalise.

Just to let you know though that I have never tried to deceive any of you, our Taiwanese factory told us that they worked with H+Son in the past (which may or may not be true) and we have only found out yesterday after doing some research that H+Son rims are made in China these days.

What mechanical vandall said. This is the bullshit/edscoble side of the forum and its fucking bullshit. Leave the man to run his basic brand of bikes that probably work perfectly well for thecasual cyclist. People on here who love a witch hunt make this forum unreadable sometimes

One thing I know, you should only bespeak when bespoken to

What mechanical vandall said. This is the bullshit/edscoble side of the forum and its fucking bullshit. Leave the man to run his basic brand of bikes that probably work perfectly well for thecasual cyclist. People on here who love a witch hunt make this forum unreadable sometimes

who is hunting who?

It's Danni coming here on some weird crusade to deflect some very valid remarks about his 'brand' that ignited and sustain all this. As mechanical vandal says, he's genius lies in making people totally indifferent to his brand, or the opinions of the great unwashed for that matter, side with Scoble in an argument. That's a bad skill to have.

The poo stories were just a coincidental but deeply amusing byproduct. If he had any sense he'd get into publishing instead of bespoke lfgss bullshitting.

Can I just use this opportunity to state that I will never side with edscoble in an argument

Just a thought Danny, how about putting a couple of your new to bikes over to the forum so some of the more moderate voices could try them out and review them?
Nothing to lose and you might convert a few people from the views they have regarding quality

^ This in bucketloads. I admit to jumping to conclusions based on other people's experiences, and have inadvertently allowed my prejudices to form. I know there is much snobbery within the bike scene, but everything has to start somewhere. I don't believe that any of the major, quality brands established their reputations in the first five years (and certainly not in the pressure-cooker environment of today). I believe that learning curves are sharp, and if nothing else Dani's commitment to defending his business on here is proof enough that he does care about his product.

So I would be happy to swap my bike for 3 months, to give an honest opinion (as a regular commuter, at least) of Foffa bikes. Perhaps a few other forumongers would like to join me? How about it Dani?

Am I the only one who thinks of this guy every time I hear the name Dani Foffa?

When I'm not screaming my head off about the devil to hundreds of sweaty fans, I enjoy building bikes and enjoying some constructive banter on LFGSS

god, this forum really is a bit much. 'Hey dani, your bikes are fucking shit and your a dishonest wanker, gimmie a bike for free though yeah and ill review it cause my opinions are so fucking important and carry so much weight'

Jesus you lot are so far up your own asses, I wonder if you will ever reappear