Die-In and Vigil at TfL HQ. Public

this sort of nonsense detracts from an issue that is awful enough not to need overly emotive, dress up twattery.

write a letter to your MP while you're lying down on the fucking pavement, it'll be more effective.

The irony is that Don was a politican

Ugh, twats. 'Murder' ffs. File alongside militant anti-frackers and trustafarian squatters.

You forgot the people in lab coats with plates of chicken skin. They're the best ones!

Is the guy behind this the kerb nerd who called Oliver Schick and Skydancer nazis?

Only one thing needs to change, and that is the law. Are we so thick over here that we can't see the advantages of the Dutch, German, Danish et al where nobody on a bike feels in the least danger, everyone is relaxed, no helmets and it's spot the fat person unlike here where it's spot the thin one.
The politicians are for the most part completely ignorant of the transport system in Europe because all they ever see is the inside of a limousine, and if they are aware they are in a minority, too afraid to speak out because it would be a vote loser.
I don't live in London, but I know this, if things are to change, every cyclist in the UK needs to get involved, if they did it would be bloody difficult to ignore.

hang on, so is this just a mass suicide outside tlf hq? if so, im out

I think a group lynchman is in poor taste.

Is the guy behind this the kerb nerd who called Oliver Schick and Skydancer nazis?

That's the badger, and intimidated some LCC members while he's at it.

Like I said, not a nice man.

edit: maybe not the same person.

That's the badger, and intimidated some LCC members while he's at it.

Like I said, not a nice man.

Is it ? I'm out then

Did he argue with some people and call them names?

Did he argue with some people and call them names?

Nah didn't realise it was the same guy but he launched a complete segregation rant on twitter specifically at oliver schlick and skydancer , not sure exactly I'm sure it's on here somewhere

that one of the organizers may be a douche (or may have been a douche) doesn't seem like a rock solid reason for not being involved. if all goes well there will likely be hundreds of people who are less douchey there.

if all goes well there will likely be hundreds of people who are less douchey there.

Might be hard to pull off with a skull mask.

edit - found another oldie;

So it looks like some of the posters in this thread think the best way to campaign for safer roads is to bitch about other campaigns.

That''l work then.

no, the best way is to solicit change from those that are best positioned to do so - most notably your local MP, but you go ahead and play am-dram dress-up to your hearts content. you passive aggressive bulb.

O rilly?
Contacting your MP is the way to get things done? I call bullshit (not passively).
Seeing as the family of the woman who was killed at Bow are calling for people to take to the streets and make their feelings known, why not do it. More the merrier. Taking the piss out of people who want to do that is easy and a bit wanky really...

no, the best way is to solicit change from those that are best positioned to do so - most notably your local MP

Unless your MP is red light jumping Kate Hoey.

The more people write to their MP, the higher the likelihood they'll be aware of it.

fuck sakes. now i have to agree with scoble.

time to go home.

i would encourage calm, respectful, sombre, non-hysterical mass action, rounded off with a petition / signed letter to a person in authority, you'd be a fool not to. All this overly melodramatic nonsense serves is to trivialise in a tastelessly unsubtle manner, an issue that really doesn't benefit from anyone wearing a fucking death mask.

If you'd rather not write to your MP, you could also start documenting poor driving / parking / road use / provision and start an online campaign to draw people's attention to the issue.

Honestly I think we should all get gopros and get people fined through roadsafe until no one can afford to drive badly but that's just me

In a way, I find your faith in the power of MPs heart warming, but it's worth pointing out that the power of MPs, especially individually, is massively exaggerated. Most often by them.

This isn't an argument for those protests by the way, just the observation of someone who has worked in public affairs.

The op says it's a facebook link, which I can't access.

Could you enlighten us as to the date of this event?

You forgot the people in lab coats with plates of chicken skin. They're the best ones!

Sounds delicious

The op says it's a facebook link, which I can't access.

Could you enlighten us as to the date of this event?

29th at 5pm , 197 Blackfriars Road

Sick now of every campaign saying not only do we need to highlight these issues and work towards a solution, but that the ONLY solution is SEGREGATION.

I don't think segregation is the answer in London, and when you only have partial segregation it just makes things worse with left hooks being the biggest killers..
Exactly. First of all I think I am missing something with these constant calls for segregation by LCC and the other cycling "community leaders". It is impossible to physically segregate at the conflict point in a junction.

Secondly, segregating on the approach to a junction, isolates cyclists and takes them out of the motorists mind, before spitting them out at the key left hook point, putting them in more danger, possibly as we have just seen with the recent death at the end of the westbound segregated section at bow

I think it's important to keep in mind that the cohort of the forum is probably not wholly representative of the cycling (or would-be cycling) public - likely fitter, faster, not very young nor very old - so it could be that the calls for segregation by 'community leaders' do actually represent cycling opinion better than you / we on here think.

It's obviously important that segregation is combined with clear separate signals for bikes at what you correctly call 'the conflict points' .

But it's fine if you aren't keen on segregation. I can't see how it wouldn't improve the experience of cycling up, say, Edgeware road, or along Euston road, but I am interested to hear what the best-thought-out alternatives are.

Are we talking about HGV-bans? I am in favour, and it's not an either-or: in Paris they have both. Or better road surfaces, better junction design, more actually-enforced ASLs? All of these sound good, but none of them stop aggressive fast close passes which, while not the most dangerous aspect of cycling in London, in certainly the most unpleasant (ok maybe the rain is most unpleasant).

Is there somewhere I can go to read a coherent argument against 'go dutch' / copenhagenize plans?