Doping

What Robert Talisse would call the incredulous restatement of the interlocutors statement. I was trying to point out how knobbish it sounded.

No strawmen, my friend:

No one disagrees with you that cheats should be punished. But your position seems to be those that cheated in the past, but were not punished because they were not caught, should be given something more severe (I believe you mentioned something along the lines of cock-punching).

Oh ok I didn't realise you would take the cock punching literally. My bad, I'll be careful not to exaggerate anything for comedy or other reasons in the future.

Sorry but you do present a strawman. That's a highly selective intepretation of what I am saying. While I did mention Millar in a previous post (not in the one you quoted mind) it doesn't mean I think dopers are fine once they return from a ban. In fact There are very few I have any time for even after they return from a personal point of view. I don't object to them being part of the sport though.

And the actual punishment I suggested for Ryder was taking a voluntary year out of the sport, that would be some sort of penance for the advantage he has gained, the career he has built and monies he has earnt on the back of cheating. I never called for him to be hounded out of the sport, and the cock punching and spending an evening at Hippy's was a joke. No-one would suggest the latter seriously, nobody deserves that, no matter they've done.