Doping

Wow you just said back to me what I said to you. Solid work.

What Robert Talisse would call the incredulous restatement of the interlocutors statement. I was trying to point out how knobbish it sounded.

Solid work also with that strawman misrepresentation of what I actually said, I haven't even mentioned Millar.

No strawmen, my friend:

This. I was a believer in Vaughters and the Garmin ethic, but Ryder's case strikes me as a continuation of omerta. I don't mind censured riders like Millar coming back into the peloton and (hopefully) riding clean but I don't like riders that management and even ADAs know has doped continuing to ride, earn a living and win races despite having cheated massively in the past and gotten away with it. A team with Garmin's stated aims should have admitted his doping long before and done some sort of penance for it, like a voluntary break from the sport.

But sticking with the simple theme of your intepretation, my position is that cheats should be punished. If they cheat again then punish them again. Weird position to take I suppose.

No one disagrees with you that cheats should be punished. But your position seems to be those that cheated in the past, but were not punished because they were not caught, should be given something more severe (I believe you mentioned something along the lines of cock-punching).