Cycle campaigning

I hear you Bill, I haven't got a fucking clue where LCC stands, but I hear you.

Scoble is kinda right though, it seems like LCC is dead set on segregation, seems being the key word... Please trust me, agreeing with Ed doesn't come easy, in fact the mere thought is making my physically ill. So please tell me he's wrong. Or better yet in straight forward easy to understand layman's terms for those of us not able and willing to spend our entire life ploughing through LCC policies and proposals, where exactly do LCC stand in terms of road apartheid segregation?

"Ceterum censeo Edscobli esse delendam."
If you "haven't got a ****ing clue", why are you agreeing with Scoble about this? Have you ever actually been to a LCC meeting or visited their website yourself? No one is willing/able to spend their whole life trawling through campaigning docs (not even Oliver), nor do they need to. My experience is that yes, there are mixed, sometimes polarised views, it is a complex subject, without a singular, straight forward solution, but it always has been and bitching about LCC or any other group on here rather than getting involved directly isn't going to achieve much, is it?

Furthermore, by using a heavily loaded term such as "apartheid" you are effectively reinforcing the divisive, biased, somewhat righteous attitude that has permeated these campaign threads recently.

For the record, I do not advocate segregation as THE SOLUTION. Nor do I think LCC is a flawless campaign group. But it's not appropriate or reasonable to suggest people merely get some cycle training and start riding with the motor traffic - most non-cyclists are never going to be persuaded to do this no matter how happy the rest of us are to do so.

Perhaps read this for a better understanding of where LCC stands at present: http://lcc.org.uk/articles/why-ive-put-a-motion-to-the-london-cycling-campaign-agm-setting-out-our-policy-on-dedicated-space-for-cycling