• ad441, and ffm, I think we need education of motorists, strict liability to be made into law here in the UK and the will to put infrastructure that makes junctions and some one way systems safer.
    But the first two require political will, and a change in the mindset of motorists and the culture of driving, which the majority of people don't seem able to understand or be able to articulate in a way which makes people understand.

    Agreed.

    Segregation on the other hand can have money thrown at it, and you can be seen to be making it easier for cyclists, when in fact you are doing not much at all.

    If it's bad infrastructure, yes. And this is a real problem because it costs money and annoys people on bikes and in cars. This is a great irony of this debate: we're discussing the benefits of two different approaches when the current policy satisfies neither pro or anti-segregation camp. I think good infrastructure is possible and hugely beneficial on some routes. I also think it's an integral part of encouraging more people to cycle and this will contribute to a positive feedback loop of greater modal share, greater understanding of the needs of cyclists, and better road behaviour from people in cars.

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