• This is from a few pages back, ignore the name calling, but the bits in bold are still relevant. Everyone keeps talking about these nameless future cyclists who will start riding once the roads are safer, but will they?

    @ad441, I'd rather not give up anything for people who haven't yet made the decision to ride, and may never ride, even if segregation and infrastructure are created..

    I'd rather not give up anything either, but I happily would if it was the only way forward. The best solution is to have decent segregated infrastructure and the right to ride on the road. I just wonder how much anti-segregationism is driven by fear of what we might lose. I'm not telling anyone who currently cycles that they are doing it wrong (in fact, I'm not even sure what that means - they're probably doing it very right in the crappy circumstances that we have). I do think it is wrong for them to oppose infrastructure that will encourage current non-cyclists to cycle (and it will) on unrealistic idealogical grounds or because they fear it might change what is currently a tolerable situation only for them.

    Choosing to cycle depends on more than just infrastructure, and right now we just need more cycling of all kinds
    Yup

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