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Yeah.
Worth saying. The ones I looked at didn't have the part that is sewn into the jacket and goes over your hands, to keep the jacket under your gloves.
If they're all like that, I wouldn't by one. One of the best parts of a winter jacket. Keeps the jacket from riding up your arms and water seeping in. Essential oversight if so. But I know some of the softshels don't have it and some do.