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@Bonefix
fair enuff, I appreciate your point too...
as for comical, what about negative stems with loadsa spacers and a riser bar?! now, this I call comical and believe you me when I say ye come across plenty horrors like this in certain "ambients" ...
http://www.fixedforum.it/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=126893
if I ever get an itch to try a riser, I'll make sure to turn the stem around first!
*sorry if this has gone OT