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• #5052
I have just been hit on the head by my wife for reading this thread when I should be sorting out the holiday bookings.
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• #5053
I agree with 1 (I'd be surprised if anyone tried to refute it), but 2 is where your argument falls down, let's try a little substitution:
(2) I also am **certain **that paper bags on the head do offer some benefits in some accidents which any one of us could be involved in on any day.
Well actually yes, in some accidents a paper bag on the head will offer some benefits. So why not wear a paper bag on your head?
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• #5054
"Whilst I like evidence, sometimes I am happy to rely on common sense..."
Clearly an anecdote...
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• #5055
That's not common sense, common sense is to be observant, ride at a sensible speed in certain junction, making sure your bicycle is road worthy, etc.
Like I said, it's perception that's the problem.
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• #5056
Hats off to you thought, for successfully thrilling this topic for several pages just so you can have some kind of argument.
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• #5057
So when are you getting your DH kit?
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• #5058
Wearing a helmet
Offers little protection
From the Internet -
• #5059
"Blah blah blah blah... Should people who know how to ride a bike wear a helmet?"
If they so choose. And so 6 years and 5259 posts down the road, the thread ends.
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• #5060
(1) I suggest that you avoid heels where there are marble floors, don't lean out of the shower, avoid running on wet steps etc etc.
Or I could move into a padded cell with no sharp objects, breathe and eat liquidised food in case I choke. I mean, if there's even a tiny risk it's just not worth it, right?
Come on, life includes risk. Adults manage them sensibly. The question is not just "what if the worst happened?". A rational decision should consider the whole range of outcomes, the likelihood of them happening, the cost of reducing the risk, the cost of not doing an activity at all and the benefits of doing it. Most importantly of all, it includes recognising that everyones, including your own, "common sense" about things they are not an expert in is going to be flawed, and therefore considering evidence, research and expert opinion even if it contradicts your knee jerk assumptions or "what everyone knows".
In other words, a "rational" decision for the real world cannot be made by reducing the world to simple black and white.
(2) "riding a more aggressive / faster bike" - that makes you sound quite unrepresentative. My experience of this site and cycling in London would suggest that a fair proportion of cyclists spend their lives on aggressive / fast bikes and trying to get where they are going as fast as possible as a matter of principle. Should these people be wearing a helmet in your opinion (would you recommend that they do - obviously you would not tell them to)?
No, they should stop being dicks and ride like grown ups. If they decide they want to be dicks because it's more fun a helmet might make a trivial difference, but frankly I'd rather they didn't wear it because as I said a great many posts ago, putting a helmet on top of bad cycling creates a misleading picture of what is safe cycling which leads inexperienced cyclists into dangerous practices, and I care far about about the safety of people who want to be safe than people who want to ride like dicks.
Is your priority for dealing with dangerous drivers to make sure they have airbags?
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• #5061
I have just been hit on the head by my wife for reading this thread when I should be sorting out the holiday bookings.
Did you not anticipate this risk?
Tut, tut.
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• #5062
So why not wear a paper bag on your head?
Has to brown paper soaked in vinegar to get the full benefit
**Hats off **to you though
Only when it's completely safe to do so!
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• #5063
Has to brown paper soaked in vinegar to get the full benefit
No no no, that's only good after the accident. This is one of the big problems with paper bags - they do have a benefit when used correctly but most people only hear about wrapping your head, they don't know about the going to bed bit first. We need education not just thicker paper.
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• #5064
Nergs self for coming back...
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• #5065
Tl;DR
synopsis please
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• #5066
^ place for popcorn / rubberneckers to hang out. Get out whilst you can.
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• #5067
"TL;DR Synopsis please."
"ArgH! It's the helmet debate... RUN!!!"
The latter quote is from page one...
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• #5068
Whilst I like evidence, sometimes I am happy to rely on common sense. Common sense says that something with 2" of polystyrene that was tested to replicate some accidents will be better than 0.1mm of paper that was not designed or tested to protect heads. Therefore I will not consider the possibility of wearing a paper bag when I can wear a helmet.
Common sense suggests cyclists ride in the gutter. Stop using the phrase, it's stupid. You can't ask to discuss whether something is a good idea and then answer replies saying that you just want to stick to status quo because it's received wisdom. Again that's idiotic.
Ok so why not wear a down hill helmet or motorcycle helmet as they are tested to higher levels?
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• #5069
Cause that would be equally idiotic?
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• #5070
661 do some nice stuff.
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• #5071
Ok so why not wear a down hill helmet or motorcycle helmet as they are tested to higher levels?
Good question. If your assessment is that cycling is very risky and you feel you are very likely to hit your head then a motorcycle helmet would be best (in lieu of the fact it is hot and uncomfortable as the risk is high enough to warrant it)
Or a downhill helmet if needing better facial protection, reduce knock out from chin etc,.It is all about where you draw the line. My risk assessment leads me to not wear one but why do those whose assessment leads them to wear a helmet always stop at a standard bike helmet?
(well apart from the guy that rides around my way with a motorbike helmet on but we don't like to ask about that)
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• #5072
He should really have the rest of the kit too, and wear a box, and carry a sword.
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• #5073
I know a few bmx race folks who wear mx helmets for the extra impact protection. /csb
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• #5074
Live and let live. Life includes risks - you die from if!
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• #5075
"Leaning out of the shower offers no benefits for a small risk so don't do it."
Go on, live a little!
Sweet.
Been listening to the chirping of the lark in the sycamore tree