Trade: Carbon Wheels

Not to poke a stick in anyone's eye, but Boab I am interested in your knowledge of 90's kit. I have A LOT in the garage. C record stuff, 1st gen. Bora wheels etc.

Any places to learn true value or good places to sell as I'm thinking of having a clearout in a month or two.

Cheers

Well, its worth a lot of money! The Boras especially. If you have 1st gen C Record which is engraved logo rather than 2nd gen printed then (based on recent sales of similar good condition) Chainset: 210-270, rear mech 150-180, pedals150, seatpin 1st gen with Super Record type top:2-300, Deltas 2-300. The first gen is extremely rare in good condition.

Given that good condition Shamals are 5-700 a pair, a good condition pair of Boras will be worth well in excess of 1000.Sell on ebay with International shipping (signed for insured) and youll get top dollar. Likely from Japanese buyers.

Nice! Pick your brain one last time - I have a few sets of C record wheels, 1st gen i think. One is 650, one 700 - am I wrong in thinking its better to stip and sell the hubs? Seems they get better prices than full wheelsets?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GAZELLE-AA-SUPER-RACING-BIKE-/321186467136?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item4ac8348d40

I can guarantee that Gazelle sells long before your secondhand unwarrantied wheels and for the asking price.

Definitely strip the hubs out, large flange C Record hubs can be worth up to £600 . See' Sheriff Star' on ebay, small flange first gen 150-200 a pair. I got 180 for a mint pair of Croce D'aune.

All decent used, I thought as much, just a shame to strip a great pair of wheels for the hubs!

Yeah but wheels are very expensive to ship abroad and most buyers would rather rebuild anyway. Are they large flange? If so you've won a watch. I bought a Hetchins curly recently with Sheriff Star wheels they paid for the cost of the bike AND a brand new pair of wheels!

Give everything a very good clean and polish up before selling, try and get a cheap white light box to photograph the smaller stuff, as many close ups as you can. Quality sells but good photos make an enormous difference.

have sheriffs but keeping them, the others are all small flange

Good luck I'm off to my kip!

Issue here is that Bob sounds knowledgeable and confident about the antique stuff, but then shows massive ignorance about the Chinese carbon.

I'd be tempted to put Bob in the bin marked "bull shit merchant", but then who knows - he might be quite right about the bike-jumble stuff he specialises in.

Dammit you dont even cite any anecdotal evidence! I've been dealing with the sameprominent wheelbuilder for 25 years. He's had so many Chinese shipping disasters that he will now only buy factory direct, in bulk and via his own (US based) insured carrier service. His recommendation to clients is that they never get whole wheels shipped. And thats not self interest, that's just plain sense coming from an expert with 45 years in the business. (I can provide contact details if youd like an education on carbon buying yourself)

The Chinese authorities normally discount shipping for exporters from anywhere between 90-100% of shipping costs via domestic EMS, so you can see how the prices are so very keen. However you can imagine the quality of carrier service that is effectively free. Do you think carbon wheels arent going to be thrown from plane to plane indiscriminately like everything else. Wise up man, if something seems to be cheap to be true - it usually is.

I'd be tempted to sling you in the Trolling/stark staring egit bin, but I'm willing to give someone a right to reply based on evidence.

The issue here is that you've got issues.

I've been dealing with the sameprominent wheelbuilder for 25 years. He's had so many Chinese shipping disasters that he will now only buy factory direct, in bulk and via his own (US based) insured carrier service. His recommendation to clients is that they never get whole wheels shipped. And thats not self interest, that's just plain sense coming from an expert with 45 years in the business..

If I was a wheel builder I wouldn't be importing chinese wheels, I would be building wheels. If I was an importer, I would.
You mention upthread you know lots of wheel builders who won't import these wheels.
I know a few too, they stick to building wheels not importing chinese wheel sets that completely undermine their own craft.

Neil definitely has a few issues...

I've also had quite a few wheel sets. Anecdotal maybe, but there we go.

To be honest I don't really care, I just think that Bobs lack of manners in this thread is quite shocking. Hang your head Bob.

I initially reacted to this berk who described my top end 90's retro as *shit. Clearly there are very few forum users with any real world knowledge of either vintage or the contemporary bike trade (which I worked in myself for 29 years as an importer/reseller). Builders import carbon rim stock because there is a good ROI and the demand is strong. Its the way the market is trending.

Hey ho, ignorance is ubiquitous, and anecdotes and Google are not the way to a sensible, reasoned argument.

But you do have issues ;)

These wheels are unused/ undamaged and perfectly true. They arrived fine. Jason the chap I brought from in China was incredible attentive to my emails and discussions. I would happily recommend people buy from him and his company. He puts the like of Wiggle/Chain reaction etc. to shame.
The Hubs are not Novatech but some sort of Carbon Fiber mold. They are unusual i've not seen anything like them in the UK. I will take some photos. Just like to clarify I'm not expecting a offer of a striaght swap for top quality stuff. Cash possible either way depending on what your offering.

Boab753 do you think you could start your own thread. Maybe the title could be something along the lines of 'bullshit'.

Do you think you could take a run up your own arse? You insult me, take a pop at my very reasonable offer of kit for your £200 wheels, no apology, nothing. Youre ignorance is stupefying. This thread is dead, Fred.

And any chance you ever had of selling/trading your secondhand, unwarrantied wheels.

Somebody close this thread, its risible.

[QUOTE=Banana753;3771773]Jason,

[jason] we can offer 38mm front and 50 mm rear if you need, if you need Novatec carbon hubs, the price is usd 555/pair, shipping by EMS is usd 75/pair.
3) Would you be able to supply them with Novatech carbon hubs. If so cost please.
[jason] The we have tubular wheelset with Novatec carbon hubs + Pillar spokes and nipples (NPP), the price is usd 540/pair for NPP 38mm