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@Hulsroy
Thx. I like rat bikes as well. Only way is to use stainless steel or TI. But stainless will require silver rods and together with stainless tubing that would make it more or less unpayable. Titanium will require TIG welding. I have tigwelded a bike before, but find no pleasure in that type of joinery. My main goal is to hack the bike industry. I want to make descent, light utility bikes from cheap steel. I will be more than happy to share my ideas and approaches and get some feedback from you guys.