Secondary Locks

MrDuck, I am hoping that you are the designer of the Abus Futura 64 Mini, and you get a percentage for each of the sales, otherwise your extraordinary efforts seem to be somewhat in vain.

The Evo Mini is the best of the secondary locks. Other locks in its sector come close but do not surpass it. The Evo Mini isn't described anywhere on this forum (as far as I know) as a primary lock. Also, I trust the Bike Radar test of the Futura 64, because they have a set pattern for the tests, and if a lock fails at a certain stage or a certain time, the other locks tested before it and after would have had the same test, so the results are very comparable.

However, it is an 11mm thick lock, and not 13mm-14mm as the rest of the locks in this section are. The Futura 64 could only really compete with the 2 Krabus locks, and the Masterlock in the list. The others are superior mainly because the steel is thicker, and of similarly good quality.

Oh no, you missunderstand me. I'm saying the Futura 64 is not good enough as a primary lock. Just like the Evo Mini.

• Evo Mini = broken with hand tools (e.g. large bolt croppers and/or lever attack)
  
• Futura 64 = broken with hand tools (e.g. large bolt croppers and/or lever attack)
  
  

The problem with that Bikeradar review of the Futura 64, is that there is no test for the Evo Mini that I can find to compare it with. So you say the results are very comparable... assuming the testing procedure is the same for each lock (which I doubt, explained below), can you show me the review for the Evo Mini? I can't seem to find it.

The testing procedure is kept secret (assuming they have a testing procedure). For example, what size bolt croppers do they use? Do they even use the same person and force on each lock? Do they maintain or sharpen the bolt croppers before each test so it's the same? The best example of their less-than-ideal testing procedure is to show you their review of the Abus Steel-O-Flex. It "passed our five-minute first round with minimal cosmetic damage". They gave it 5 out of 5 stars, which is more than they gave the Fahg Mini!! But we all know the Steel-O-Flex can easily be sliced through with bolt croppers. Even if it takes more than 1 go because the cable is too thick to fit in the jaws.

However, it is an 11mm thick lock, and not 13mm-14mm as the rest of the locks in this section are. The Futura 64 could only really compete with the 2 Krabus locks, and the Masterlock in the list. The others are superior mainly because the steel is thicker, and of similarly good quality.

Yeh, I know this is true. What I am basically trying to argue/ask is that it doesn't really matter that much, because all these locks can be broken with hand tools anyway (otherwise they would be on the "locks that work" thread). It's just got to be decent enough to withstand all but the biggest of bolt croppers attack. I thought the Futura 64 would meet that standard. Although I admit I don't have a tonne of evidence to support it.

i reached an eventual quotation (chucking in a random spec.) of £49 for A22's Guard Dog Skewer, as featured in this graphic; have suggested to A22 that showing a price range would be a good idea as its frustrating to plough through specification just to arrive at having a rough idea of how much their solution costs..

I was using this price list. £64 for a single front skewer. £153 for the full set of 2 skewers, a topcap and a seatpost clamp. Not exactly cheap I thought.