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  • Oh james1234, you are a mystery, an enigma.

    The only ways to determine your frame size, AFAIK, are;

    1. Guess
    2. Use your existing frame
    3. Use the various formulae/tables/calculators etc
    4. Go to a professional

    Since you can't/won't do 4. then you are stuck with 1-3. Maybe if you tell us more about your circumstances, we might be able to help you better.

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