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It seems to me that there are three aspects to this story: that the Americans might be breaking their own rules by spying on their own citizens, that GCHQ might be breaking our rules by spying on us via America, and that America is using their corporate dominance of the internet to spy on everyone else, apparently in violation of no rules and in accordance with the principle of 'fuck you if you aren't American'.

Most of the coverage i've seen seems to focus on the first two, but it's the third i find most interesting. How will other countries react to being so comprehensively spied on? Will we see a lot of legal barriers erected to stop movement of personal data across borders to keep it out of hostile jurisdictions? Or treaties regulating bulk spying? Maybe even an international organisation to police cross-border monitoring? Or an international conspiracy of governments against their people? Or the balkanisation of the internet?

And ironic that Obama's spent this week asking the Chinese to please stop using the internet to spy on America...

The US are not breaking their own rules, however. SCOTUS has all but said "go ahead, warrantless wiretapping is fiiiiine."

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I'm just wracked with worry and guilt about all the googling I did a few months ago for midget fart porn. It was just research for a film i'm making, honest.

It seems to me that there are three aspects to this story: that the Americans might be breaking their own rules by spying on their own citizens, that GCHQ might be breaking our rules by spying on us via America, and that America is using their corporate dominance of the internet to spy on everyone else, apparently in violation of no rules and in accordance with the principle of 'fuck you if you aren't American'.

Most of the coverage i've seen seems to focus on the first two, but it's the third i find most interesting. How will other countries react to being so comprehensively spied on? Will we see a lot of legal barriers erected to stop movement of personal data across borders to keep it out of hostile jurisdictions? Or treaties regulating bulk spying? Maybe even an international organisation to police cross-border monitoring? Or an international conspiracy of governments against their people? Or the balkanisation of the internet?

And ironic that Obama's spent this week asking the Chinese to please stop using the internet to spy on America...

It's an interesting one, in that you could see a market for "No part of our infrastructure is subject to US law/based in the US" services, but I suspect the number of people who would move from a free, read by the NSA service to a paid for, private service is so small as to make it a non-starter financially.

It seems to me that there are three aspects to this story: that the Americans might be breaking their own rules by spying on their own citizens, that GCHQ might be breaking our rules by spying on us via America, and that America is using their corporate dominance of the internet to spy on everyone else, apparently in violation of no rules and in accordance with the principle of 'fuck you if you aren't American'.

Most of the coverage i've seen seems to focus on the first two, but it's the third i find most interesting. How will other countries react to being so comprehensively spied on? Will we see a lot of legal barriers erected to stop movement of personal data across borders to keep it out of hostile jurisdictions? Or treaties regulating bulk spying? Maybe even an international organisation to police cross-border monitoring? Or an international conspiracy of governments against their people? Or the balkanisation of the internet?

And ironic that Obama's spent this week asking the Chinese to please stop using the internet to spy on America...

^ This - Basically the UK has "subbed" out some of its spy work to a friendly third party (The USA) in order to get around its own laws, the fact that said subcontractor is probably breakings its own laws in collecting the data and also the ease at which the mega USA corporate internet providers have granted access to this stuff is where the shit storm is.

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If everything was encrypted they wouldn't be able to target people who choose to encrypt.

Frankly I like the idea that if money is going to be spent on spying it should be wasted reading my posts on lufgus.

http://trollthensa.com/

sounds a good idea
we should all send one a day

One major terror attack = 9/11.

That was their first, and possibly last serious terrorist attack, their other incident were domestic (like the Oklahoma bombing).

But terrorism builds on the single, the countable. That's what creates worry, paranoia and insecurity.

"Aber das ist wohl so, weil ein einzelner immer der Tod ist — und zwei Millionen immer nur eine Statistik."-- Erich Maria Remarque "Der schwarze Obelisk" (1956)

Its the potential of 100s or 1000s or 10s of 1000s or .. of Michael Adebolajos, Nidal Malik Hasans,..., Najibullah Zazis etc. Each wanting and able to kill.. that strikes at the hearts and minds.. Whos next!?

"The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city.. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival."-- Emmanuel Goldstein, THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM

Isn't Emmanuel Goldstein one of the characters in 1984?

It seems to me that there are three aspects to this story: that the Americans might be breaking their own rules by spying on their own citizens, that GCHQ might be breaking our rules by spying on us via America, and that America is using their corporate dominance of the internet to spy on everyone else, apparently in violation of no rules and in accordance with the principle of 'fuck you if you aren't American'.

Most of the coverage i've seen seems to focus on the first two, but it's the third i find most interesting. How will other countries react to being so comprehensively spied on? Will we see a lot of legal barriers erected to stop movement of personal data across borders to keep it out of hostile jurisdictions? Or treaties regulating bulk spying? Maybe even an international organisation to police cross-border monitoring? Or an international conspiracy of governments against their people? Or the balkanisation of the internet?

And ironic that Obama's spent this week asking the Chinese to please stop using the internet to spy on America...

What about #4 which is Britain letting the Chinese government (sorry, Huawei) spy on it by buying the cheapest telecoms hardware they could find and then setting them up a little 'spy base' in the countryside to operate from?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22803510

It's an interesting one, in that you could see a market for "No part of our infrastructure is subject to US law/based in the US" services, but I suspect the number of people who would move from a free, read by the NSA service to a paid for, private service is so small as to make it a non-starter financially.

You probably won't get much more than a trickle of private individuals choosing for themselves to switch, but companies worried about their business secrets might move, and mandate their staff switch too. And governments worried about their strategic vulnerability might start requiring companies to adopt such policies.

Also i wonder if we'll see a sudden burst of investment in international internet links so that less traffic has to go via the US?

What about #4 which is Britain letting the Chinese government (sorry, Huawei) spy on it by buying the cheapest telecoms hardware they could find and then setting them up a little 'spy base' in the countryside to operate from?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22803510

That's part of the wider picture, and the kind of thing that makes the paranoid part of my mind wonder if there're already more international arrangements in place. (Here, you spy on our companies and we'll spy on yours, then we can meet up at Bilderberg to pass on the good stuff to the business men who keep us in power...)

I missed another (fifth?) aspect of this story: whatever anyone's actually doing, it's clear that it's now technically possible and practically & politically plausible that someone is building Big Brother.

(And a sixth: do GCHQ help the NSA by spying on Americans? (Historically, yes.))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l5psGJDU2xQ

Any idea happened to the guy? Is he alive?

In other news Taylor Chapman didnt get her dunkin donuts receipt, lovely woman.

Taylor Chapman Dunkin Donuts Rant - YouTube

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/taylor-chapman-dunkin-donuts-viral-video-856341

Isn't Emmanuel Goldstein one of the characters in 1984?

"THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM" is the book in Orwell's 1984.

Any idea happened to the guy? Is he alive?

I heard he was dead ! :-(

You probably won't get much more than a trickle of private individuals choosing for themselves to switch, but companies worried about their business secrets might move, and mandate their staff switch too. And governments worried about their strategic vulnerability might start requiring companies to adopt such policies.

Also i wonder if we'll see a sudden burst of investment in international internet links so that less traffic has to go via the US?

That's part of the wider picture, and the kind of thing that makes the paranoid part of my mind wonder if there're already more international arrangements in place. (Here, you spy on our companies and we'll spy on yours, then we can meet up at Bilderberg to pass on the good stuff to the business men who keep us in power...)

I missed another (fifth?) aspect of this story: whatever anyone's actually doing, it's clear that it's now technically possible and practically & politically plausible that someone is building Big Brother.

(And a sixth: do GCHQ help the NSA by spying on Americans? (Historically, yes.))

Laying trans-oceanic cable is so frighteningly expensive that you have, in general, to have government scale cash to invest in it I thought?

Chris Morris is secretly writing the news AICMFP #1,738,413

I think this is news, not nature or nurture, but genetics effected by nurture:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes#.UbhDIWS9Kc3
I'd be interested if anyone has more info about this?

^ http://www.newscientist.com/special/instant-expert-epigenetics

I think this is news, not nature or nurture, but genetics effected by nurture:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes#.UbhDIWS9Kc3
I'd be interested if anyone has more info about this?

Where the fuck in the punchline for that joke? Terrible writing.

I think this is news, not nature or nurture, but genetics effected by nurture:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/13-grandmas-experiences-leave-epigenetic-mark-on-your-genes#.UbhDIWS9Kc3
I'd be interested if anyone has more info about this?

Its nothing new. The Torah "G-d remembers the sin of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations...".

The impact of personal nutrition seems to have an impact on their grandchildren's health.
About a decade ago a number of researchers narrowed it down and observed that cardiovascular and diabetes mortality were statisically linked to the nutrition during parents' and grandparents' slow growth period (just before the prepubertal peak).
Same goes for stress and other factors.

How does this work?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110623130146.htm

"Over 20 years ago, Ishii and his colleagues discovered a gene in yeast (called activation transcription factor-2 or ATF-2 for short)that is required for those tightly packed, heterochromatin structures to form. ATF-2 is altered by stress-activated protein kinases in response to environmental stress, inflammatory cytokines, and reactive oxygen species (ROS). But it wasn't entirely clear what this might mean for other organisms.
Ishii and his colleagues now confirm that ATF-2 is required for heterochromatin assembly in multicellular organisms. When fruitflies are exposed to stressful conditions, the ATF-2 is modified and disrupts heterochromatin, releasing genes from their usual silenced state. Importantly, these changes in genomic structure are passed on from one generation to the next.
The researchers expect that this finding in flies has relevance for humans, noting that we also carry the ATF-2 gene. Those epigenetic changes may influence basic cellular functions as well as metabolism, behavior and disease. In particular, Ishii suggests that epigenetic causes may play a role in "lifestyle diseases," including heart disease and diabetes, and in psychological diseases, such as schizophrenia."

I had to sit and listen to some feminist on Radio 4 yesterday morning banging on about women’s rights since they were going to be putting Churchill on the bank note and he was to replace a woman.

Feminists get a fucking grip. It is a piece of paper in your pocket that enables you to buy food, get on the bus, watch a movie etc etc. It is not some symbolic gended-alligned propaganda distributed to beat down the female voice and oppress everything in the world with breasts (non-moob of course, legit boob only) and a womb.

I couldn't give a fuck if Mickey Mouse was on it, as long as the Monarch is on there i will continue to be happy to be British and thankful that I even have money to spend.

Take your self perpetuating agenda and constant fight to be heard and stick it straight up your feminist front bum.