Fake or not? Leader 725

Can anyone please tell me if this is a legit Leader 725 (735?) or a fake?
For starters, the absence of head tube badge...
Thanks in advance!

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are you in possession of eyes - spot the difference...

hint - there are lots
I'd point to those dropouts especially.

Thanks for your help ncjlee! When you point it out like this it's all clear. I guess I won't be buying this.
What's your view on view on Leader frames, worth the buck?

They're not really my area of expertise, but I would suggest that you can get a very similar aluminium track frame for less money from Mielec or secondhand on here. However, if you like the style then it's your money!

Honestly I love Leader's sleek looks!

I checked the website for Mielec. They come at extremely low price point... 120 Euros?

Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Owned one. Rode the shite out of it, but no not worth it by any means. Buy a Dolan Pre Cursa.

Honestly I love Leader's sleek looks!

Obviously you've never seen the welds up close then!

Obviously you've never seen the welds up close then!

that bad?

they've tidied them up a bit, but still ugly.

I wouldn't waste your money on a Leader

Dolan precursa > Mielec Frame > Create Bikes > Sports Direct "Fixie" > Leader 725.

Owned one. Rode the shite out of it, but no not worth it by any means. Buy a Dolan Pre Cursa.

I was looking at Dolan's! The price point is very appealing for the parts it comes with + the customisation options come handy. How does it compare to Fuji Feather in terms of built quality? I know those two are different breeds. :)

the Kagero is a nice frame though.

I think that Visp looks better than that white thing.

Also, why Mielec would be worse than Dolan? Jokes. Mielec is a proper custom build.

Dolan precursa > Mielec Frame > Create Bikes > Sports Direct "Fixie" > Leader 725.

haha, ok Sports Direct won't fall into this categorie.

steel leader is nice too, not the heritage one but the one before. butters has a very pretty one

I think that Visp looks better than that white thing.

Also, why Mielec would be worse than Dolan? Jokes. Mielec is a proper custom build.

Dolan Precursa = Mielec (Fixed)

Dolan Precursa has an awkward shape and shit welds. Thanks but no thanks.

Agree with JB I own a leader and you should not buy one, the geometry is out of proportion particularly in a smaller size.

Dolan Precursa has an awkward shape and shit welds. Thanks but no thanks.

+1 for mielec welds

Agree with JB I own a leader and you should not buy one, the geometry is out of proportion particularly in a smaller size.

Thanks!

My mate had 3 (THREEEEEE!) Leader 735's, every one was faulty (Apparently Leader had produced a bad batch and they weren't meant to leave the factory, some how they escaped). He sent them back, eventually gave up and traded his final one for a BLB BlkTrk.

Put me off ever buying a Leader.

Also, the welds are shit!

My housemate's been through 2 Leaders, awful quality.

3 (THREEEEEE!)

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I'm more than convinced against leader. What about Dolan pre cursa? Is that a good alternative?