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not much more information alas:
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2013/02/the-daily-bike-february-11-2013/
Great picture, thanks.
The guy who wrote the lines under the picture is deluded,
rock&roll was nether drug free nor cycling.
I suspect they still had no gears then ,
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Jeez, that makes me feel quite sick.
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• #856
What about this one then?
Steve Peat and Hans Rey
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• #857
Sick in my hand...
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• #858
Is there any video of that?
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• #859
multi multi reposts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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• #860
Is there any video of that?
There's a bit of it in this
Hans Rey & Steve Peat Irish Pub to Pub Adventure - YouTube
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• #861
I don't think my picture is particularly cool, but it does have a bike in it.
This is Adam Topham winning the 2012 edition of the Hounslow 100 - his time was 3.37.51. and he included this result in his British Best All Rounder victory.
I've posted this photo for two reasons.
First: He looks like a spaceman, quite possibly an alien, and it would be natural to imagine that this appearance makes him capable of superhuman performances. This is not the case. Certainly his skin suit and neatly visored helmet are giving him a small advantage, but I am confident that, with the right motivation, he could have got under 4 hours on a Ray Booty style fixed wheel bike. It's the man, not the machine, that makes the difference.
Second: I just wanted to draw attention to my race preview post in the Time Trial thread.
I spend a fair amount of effort on these previews (which are not written primarily for the forum) and I do wonder how much they are read and whether they serve any purpose.
I'd be interested to hear comments, favourable or otherwise, and especially if anyone is encouraged to go out to watch as a result of reading them.
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Your input into the forum is always appreciated clubman
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• #863
I came to race as a result, although the 100 is a bit far for me to come for spectating :-) I always enjoy the previews and reports though.
Everyone was very friendly at sign on and afterwards - very enjoyable.
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• #864
Lovely photos, but riding is a bit lacklustre having seen Ashton on his raod biek...
Reposts am sure, rad though.
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Well there's no way I'm doing that :)
But then I also think you're forgetting that Ashton wasn't clipless.
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Scary :)
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• #867
Great picture - and one I've never seen before.
Any more information? 1927 looks right, but are we certain or just guessing?
Is the rider off the front, or as I suspect, way off the back?
You sound like the right guy to ask... Were those boys riding fixies on the Tdf in that era?
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• #868
You sound like the right guy to ask... Were those boys riding fixies on the Tdf in that era?
Before 1937 no variable gears were allowed in the TdF. This was because Henri Desgrange, the founder of the tour, disapproved of them: he wanted a 'man against man' contest, unconfused by technology. I'm not sure why he singled out derailleurs as the technology to be resisted when there were other techniques being used to enhance perfomances, but that's how it was.
By the mid thirties it was the practice to use a double sided rear hub with a double freewheel on either side. In 1903 Maurice Garin used a single fixed with no brakes. I'd have to look it up to be certain, but I think his gear was 84".
Desgrange fell ill during the 1936 event, and with him off the scene the modernisers introduced gears for 1937. This did bring a modest increase in average speed, but less,I believe, than EPO.
It should also be remembered that before the 1950's many of the mountain roads were not made up (this can be seen in the 1927 picture) and the loose surface tends to cause wheelspin when riding out of the saddle.
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• #869
I came to race as a result, although the 100 is a bit far for me to come for spectating :-) I always enjoy the previews and reports though.
Everyone was very friendly at sign on and afterwards - very enjoyable.
Thanks for your comments.
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• #870
Your input into the forum is always appreciated clubman
And for yours.
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• #871
Before 1937 no variable gears were allowed in the TdF. This was because Henri Desgrange, the founder of the tour, disapproved of them: he wanted a 'man against man' contest, unconfused by technology. I'm not sure why he singled out derailleurs as the technology to be resisted when there were other techniques being used to enhance perfomances, but that's how it was.
By the mid thirties it was the practice to use a double sided rear hub with a double freewheel on either side. In 1903 Maurice Garin used a single fixed with no brakes. I'd have to look it up to be certain, but I think his gear was 84".
Desgrange fell ill during the 1936 event, and with him off the scene the modernisers introduced gears for 1937. This did bring a modest increase in average speed, but less,I believe, than EPO.
It should also be remembered that before the 1950's many of the mountain roads were not made up (this can be seen in the 1927 picture) and the loose surface tends to cause wheelspin when riding out of the saddle.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks mate. So if no gears were allowed before 37', does that mean some guys were fixed and some had a freewheel? Or am I right in thinking the freewheel/free hub mechanism only came with the invention of gears?
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• #872
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I'm not really an expert on this, but I'm fairly sure about the following:Freewheels were in general use long before 1937, and were certainly used in the TdF. Going down mountains on fixed would be hopelessly slow compared with freewheeling. I think the original Sturmey Archer patent dates from 1902, and that hub included a freewheel.
It's perhaps worth mentioning that the rider who came second in the first ever proper road race in England was on fixed. (Llangollen - Wolverhampton 1942, just google Percy Stallard)
There were plenty of derailleur gears around before 1937, although they weren't quite as good as the modern versions (understatement).
It should be remembered that in Britain the only pre- war racing on the road was time trialling and, as we know, this is a discipline where fixed is not always a disadvantage. On the continent almost all road racing was 'massed start' and hilly roads were sought for rather than avoided.
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Cheers clubman. Plenty of references there for me to start a bit of research myself!
not much more information alas:
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2013/02/the-daily-bike-february-11-2013/