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@mands: yeah, undies. those Bonds ones look too low slung. they don't stay up on me unless they cover most of my hip bone (is it called a hip bone? the ones that stick out the front on either side)
@poots: ta, they look worth investigating. hoping for some that are longer in the leg so you don't end up with an edge in an awkward place, but they look soft. longer legs really are ftw though, and make non-cycling specific trousers more comfy... just need to find some.