The day that Thatcher died

This is an interesting read:

Why Would Anyone Celebrate the Death of Margaret Thatcher? Ask a Chilean

^^^^^ warped socialism? Oh FFS....
How's your trolling Toryism going? Quoting Tebbit with the subtext that the stike was really the fault of the miners and nothing really to do with a blatant agenda propagated by Thatcher and her filthy kind? Sick shit bro...
In the face of her relentless deification and the revisionist re-writing of history over the last few days, don't be surprised by people's reactions however they're manifested. She was the worst kind of scum and scum like that produce reaction. There are plenty of people who remember what it was like when she was destroying peoples lives.
Oh and yeah I want to hate her and I do ta. Along with her successors, supporters and apologists.
GTF

Wowzer! sharp as....You're a funny little fucker aren't you? Your trolling definitely stems from being bullied at school I'd say. Were you punched in the face daily, or was it just once or twice a week?

I made this for the forum

I'm guessing "Thatcher's Penis" would be a speciality bitter, brewed with pubes and dead hedgehogs and fortified with methamphetamine.
or maybe a limited edition walkers crisps flavour.

^^^^^ warped socialism? Oh FFS....
How's your trolling Toryism going? Quoting Tebbit with the subtext that the stike was really the fault of the miners and nothing really to do with a blatant agenda propagated by Thatcher and her filthy kind? Sick shit bro...
In the face of her relentless deification and the revisionist re-writing of history over the last few days, don't be surprised by people's reactions however they're manifested. She was the worst kind of scum and scum like that produce reaction. There are plenty of people who remember what it was like when she was destroying peoples lives.
Oh and yeah I want to hate her and I do ta. Along with her successors, supporters and apologists.
GTF

You prove my point - total inability to say anything meaningful except spout hate.

I am not a Tory, just a fan of debate rather than dismissal.

I remember her destroying lives, but also making people's lives better.

To tar her with one brush is to ignore history.

Well you offered the opportunity in your post right there. I took it up.

A fan of debate, Okaay. Well I've said plenty, you've put the self-interested point of view. Which isn't really any kind of argument as far as I'm concerned.
It's the kind of triumphalist sniping ignorance you see everywhere at the moment. As I said, revisionist re-writing of history. In short, she was widely despised, laughably useless and about to be slung out when along came a convenient war. She used the kudos she got from that as a basis to launch an all out attack on organised labour, ordinary working people who happened to think that organizing themselves for protection might be a good thing, not the enemy within as she so charmingly described them.
Backed it up by bribing the self-interested, corrupting the police, using the state as a weapon, spunking the North-sea oil money, destroying manufacturing, freeing up the spivs and bob's your uncle, the country's fucked. We've got to live with the legacy where the poor and disadvantaged get blamed, the spivs get richer and the self-interested keep their heads jammed firmly up their arses.
Dark up there?

vinylvillain, it would be easier to debate thatcher with you if you made some reasoned arguments in support of her or her policies. If you want a debate, show us how. But you don't support her...

At the moment your objections are so broad that i feel nothing short of a fully worked out and costed alternative history of everything that should have happened since 1978 would really answer you. And that's far beyond the scope of this thread for a start.

I 'think' that what vinyvillian and others are trying to say is that feelings on this thread are running so high they're getting in the way of putting forward views alternative to 'Thatcher was a cunt bitch that should have dissolved slowly in poison'. Regardless of ability or lack of to quote and debate political nuances.

I think the majority of people that are roughly saying 'hang on a minute she wasn't Satan incarnate' aren't actually in support of her. I didn't ever vote for her, vinylvillain has said he didn't actually support her.

It's just a pity that most who try to say something other than 'good riddance bitch' are turned on by the pack. This says more about those that are venting. She may have been a bloody-minded cow but she wasn't a Robert Mugabe or a Joseph Kony. A little perspective would be nice (now sits back and awaits to be called a patronising cunt...).

You patronising cunt, how very dare you?

You patronising cunt, how very dare you?

Thank you.

And?
Well those are all bad things...
You've started to personalize this, fine. Angst? no. Anger? Maybe. Hatred? Yep. I specifically hate passive aggressive pricks like you.
You're a troll, you have nothing interesting to say,ever. You chip in with sarky little comments and expect people to just suck it up, brave keyboard warrior that you are.
Fuck you, stupid, judgemental little nugget.

Funny.
Sharp and incisive as ever troll-boy.
Off you go now, time for school?

It just seems that you have a lot of angst and anger within yourself and you use forums like this as an outlet to vent your feelings.

And what exactly is wrong with that? Thatcher directly fucked over a lot of people and pissed on ideals that many hold dear. That people are still angry is evidence of how much harm she did.

But she's dead so her power to act is gone. Now it's all about her significance as an emotional and intellectual symbol. You might argue that getting emotional about things amplifies division, but in this case the division is already present - a long festering wound - that needs to be acknowledged before it can be healed.

And then you come along and taunt us for loosing our cool, and wonder why we get emotional back at you.

What should we do? If you want a debate then start one. If you can't bring yourself to argue for thatcher, how about telling us what was bad about what she stood against? Or what was good about the values of her enemies' enemies? Or argue for the good her supporters at the time thought she was achieving? I think there are probably positive things to be said about individual freedom versus rigid collectivism, and markets versus top-down planning, and maybe even the value of strong leadership. Be the change you want to see in this thread.

Whilst giving the baby her medicine this morning, I sat through Newswatch where they had two people complaining about the coverage of Thatcher's death; one who thought it was over the top, the other who thought it was disrespectful and that they should've waited 6 months before broadcasting any dissenting voices.

She was from Tonbridge Wells, which you couldn't make up.

Either way, the BBC, like other broadcasters, are in a difficult position on this as they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Aren't News International long time contributors to Conservative party finances, which doesn't exactly make them objective, does it?

They were interviewing Gerry Adams the other day about Thatcher's death. I thought it would have been right and proper to have an actor doing his lines as a mark of respect to Thatcher's views on freedom of speech.

If I could rep you three times I would.

What should we do? If you want a debate then start one. If you can't bring yourself to argue for thatcher, how about telling us what was bad about what she stood against? Or what was good about the values of her enemies' enemies? Or argue for the good her supporters at the time thought she was achieving? I think there are probably positive things to be said about individual freedom versus rigid collectivism, and markets versus top-down planning, and maybe even the value of strong leadership. Be the change you want to see in this thread.

They aren't interested in a debate. They are co-dependent with the dancing on her grave types. The more people dance on her grave the more others will wax lyrical about how they were there and are the de facto authority, while simultaneously offering no insight.

Each is at pains to label all disagreement as evil or leftie angst. Thatcher is the perfect vehicle for this, because she actively avoid listening to whole regions of the country.

Funny how most of the grave dancing was done by young, privileged protege of Thatcher's society.
I went along with my coal miners/ship builders combo outfit, and blacked my face with fake dirt especially for the occasion. I even texted Arthur Skargill and Billy Bragg to see if they were coming (they weren't). And all I saw was about five people who weren't even born when John Majors (wasn't he great in 'the fall guy'?) was in power, let alone Baroness Lady Diana Thatcher. And all they were doing was dancing a strange jig whenever anyone pointed a camera at them, and pretending to smile.

Quite frankly, I was appalled. And decided to pop to the 'Man Fu Kung' in Berwick st to get a pork bun for 25pence. Imagine my surprise when I discovered the 'Man Fu Kung' not only, gone, but replaced with a 'Co-Operative' who didn't sell pork buns, and in fact didn't sell anything for 25p. This is all Thatcher's doing, I have no doubt. And proof that the effect of her terrible reign is still being felt across London's working population.

Yours sincerely, A.E Noakes esq.

Really though, who cares that Thatcher's dead outside of the Cotswolds? Switch to clay tiles, or try a flat roof!

^ He stole that from Bob Mortimer.

I saw it, he tweeted it about a week ago.

Has anybody else got an invite for tomorrow?

No but I'm going down for a nosy about. Might get on the telly and wave at my family. Might get a CBE too. Or a commemorative badge.

I'm one of the long-term unemployed - it's what she would have wanted.

I'm thinking a tiny milk bottle on a pin or a ring set with a shard of coal might be nice occasion gifts.

Ooooh coal is a nice touch. A massive lorry load.

Anyone who is disappointed that no notable members of the current US administration are attending, don't be. Dick Cheney and Michelle Bachmann have accepted an offer to represent the brightest and best of US politics.

Ooooh coal is a nice touch. A massive lorry load.

Maybe the coal could be made into the shape of David Cameron or perhaps that would be over egging the pudding.