Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

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  • It would look better with original forks. Dave Yates could build you a pair.

  • I should probably mention that I am a student saving for my gap year... :P

  • Ah ..... :-0

  • we succeeded to get more photos



    Santini, there's one for sale in classifieds

  • I have to agree with the Joe Waugh identification, apart from the cable guides everything says it should be, the way seat stays wrap to the seat collar looks typical, and the cinelli bb sounds right too. The lugs from the head tube to the downtube should have a long finely graduated spearpoint tang.
    As for it missing the forks ideally it shouldn't be too much of an issue, a good pair of 653 or 531's will do the job. Remember that the forks would have been quite steep without eyelets, and most probably campag/colombus dropouts.
    Joe waugh was an Olympian, and now owns M.Steel cycles...when he hung up his shoes riding pro he teamed up with Dave Yates to make frames with his moniker, which were very good quality, and often built to customer spec. That often explains the differences in the overall spec i.e the owner of my frame had it built for him in 1982, and tho its 653 it has colombus dropouts which are specific to this frame. Usually you get colombus dropouts on there tubes...with reynolds its usually campag dropouts.
    They were such good quality cause Dave Yates built them...and he is arguably one of the best frame builders in the country.

  • Yeah well I have just heard back from dave yates on repairs...
    "We can only give firm costs on inspecting your frame but guide prices would be £130 for a new seat tube (excluding any braze-ons) and from £168 for re-painting. It may well be possible to repair your existing seat tube, approx. cost would be £50. New forks are from £180. "
    I absolutely do not have that kind of money, so I might just cut it up for my bamboo project anyway.

  • Oh we'll, never mind. I assume he confirmed that it was one of his?

  • the email I got was from someone named Debbie, who didn't comment on whether Mr Yates built it originally. What I quoted was essentially the whole email, she was very brief.

  • As it was donated why don't you see if someone wants to save it and swap it for a beater frame you could use in your bamboo project?

  • well if somebody has a racing/track frame around 56-58cm seat tube I'm all for a swap, but I can't see anybody else wanting to spend like £400 on getting a 531 frame done up when they could just get a brand new one

  • Debbie is Mrs Yates. She deals with the business side. I suspect she's not too bothered about the history of the frames.

  • nth-ing that it looks like a Joe Waugh to me. I've got a pair of mid 80's JW/M Steel frames, and they both have frame numbers in the format 'MSxxx' - I imagine yours is the same?

  • @anagrama you're absolutely right on the frame number front. I am quite convinced of what it is now :) The thing is I've seen good condition frames like this one for £140 and just a paint job is more than that so it's uneconomical otherwise i'd love to save it

  • You're right. The main reason to get such a frame repaired and restored is an emotional one. There are plenty of good quality British frames around from that era because there were so many frame builders back then.

  • New unknown bike for your eyes. Brought for my first fixie conversion. No identifying features on the frame, has been repainted (thickly powder coated I think) so I cannot see any serial numbers or anything on the frame itself. Dont know if the comonents are original but it had Suntour Cyclone deraileurs. Weinmann vanquier 999 brakes, sugino chainrings (52 and 42) Rigida superchromex wheels.


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  • ^That looks like the remnants of a 531 fork blades sticker to me, the later post '73 type. Nice seatstay and interesting lugs. Is there a serial number on the fork steerer?

  • If you're lucky it's one of these:

  • top end Holdsworth you think?

  • Unlikely. The frame appears to be made with pressed lugs, particularly the bottom bracket shell, the dropouts aren't forged and the wraparound seat stays were a fairly crude way of finishing off the seat lug area.

    I had a similar factory built Raleigh in the 70's. Nothing wrong with it, but not top end.

  • yeah, also modest components

  • There are no braze ons for pumps, cables etc so not like that last pic.
    When it gets shot blasted I am going to ask the guys to inspect it for any serial numbers.

    So far I think it could either be a carlton from the mid 70's or a raleigh blue streak (Same era).

    With regards to the components I was under the impression that when Suntours cyclone models were released in the 70's they were well regarded?

    Cheers so far.

  • So far I think it could either be a carlton from the mid 70's or a raleigh blue streak (Same era).

    That's sounds about right. At that time, The Carton name was owned by Raleigh. The bikes were often identical apart from the paint job.

    With regards to the components I was under the impression that when Suntours cyclone models were released in the 70's they were well regarded?

    In the mid 70's, Japanese components (Shimano and Suntour mainly), started to replace European brands on low end bikes, because they were cheaper but better quality. Cyclone was Suntour's top of the range but still considerably cheaper than Campagnolo.

  • What sort of Dolan frame is this?

  • i just bought a very similar colnago with the same details. i was told it was a super. does it have a little club on the top of the rear brake bridge?

    dtm

    Nice detailing!

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