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@dicki
alterior motive 1 .....
no offence vince but even create / unipac turned those down for being of a poor quality !! ;-)
alterior motive part 2. ......
on the other hand ....... have a couple of beater MTB cranks in the parts box. deore XT or something along those lines old and battered decent quality / hardy etc. taken off old mtb's
can check when i get home tonight and post some pictures up this weekend.
they'll be in the 10-15 quid range with all rings