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@IdealStandard
Straight up pwned
pwn9ed you could even say.
Jimmy (Citygent) has just had quite alot of back and forth with 14 about geometry, maybe ask him? There is a bit of a difference between taking the geo from 14 who are trying to make money from selling that design and some of the bikes which started off as a more community based thing, but only if you fucking love capitalism.