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I just got exactly those gloves.
I'd been waiting since November to get them through the staff offer we had at work, they finally arrived this week and I learned that XL was too small. Sold them to a work colleague, bought a new pair of XXL on trade for £3 extra, which I could have done 3 months ago, and wished I'd had that winter toastiness for the last couple of weeks.
Cruising round in minus temperatures with no liner gloves and I've still been warm enough.