Ken Charlson Fixie Project

Cutting the braze ons off does mean that you don't tear your gooch to tatters when you hurl your crotch forwards along the top tube to instigate an earth shattering skid. Then again this could be solved with a top tube pad, a welcome sight on any fixieh biek.

If you're going to cut the good bits off you should at least get the "right bits" replaced...

Get some track ends put on and it will at least look right.

Puppy killer.

What, this one...?

that's the one.

when im finished the steed will look nice and more importantly be brought back from the grave..
thats the important part here guys.. getting used again.

may be a puppy killer in your eyes but i picked the runt from the puppy farm..
and as you say its mine to do with what i want guys..

Any takers on the offer to buy a cheap puppy to save !!!!!!!
got several more here guys

Yeah and your dedicated me me me thread is shite too.

Enjoy.

"Brought back back from the grave" - like a zombie or Frankensteins monster...

Ribbleresurectionistkid

I'm in the stedlocks / Rik camp I have to say. I'm glad I didn't hack the bits off my Dave Russell when I first bought it - after two years of riding around Cambridge on it fixed I realised that there was more to cycling than that and have built it up geared.

so everyone has an opinion but nobody knows why i shouldnt take a dremmel to a precious Ken Charlson frame

has anyone even heard of him or his work??
or did you just jump on the puppy killer thread..
can i ask a question??

is every 70's frame a puppy then ???
and was Ken a Bolton legend?

Mostly we're just wondering, Why?
There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to what you've done. You've made a perfectly nicely, albeit simple frame which would have made a perfect retro fixed gear road bike into a worthless heap.

Are you going to lead-fill and file down the rear brake bridge hole seeing as you now can't run a cable to it?

well used one though gents..
and when iv completed the build it will take pride and place in the stable with the other 7 bikes in my collection..
all loved the same,, unfortunately this one will have to take up the commute duties
but it just keeps giving more and more

I'm all for making an old unkown into a fixed gear, but I really cant see the point in hacking bits off. It may well not be a super frame from a super builder, but there is a chance that in a good few years from now, his works are sought after. Maybe even from his own family, just for sentimental reasons.
As said before, there are loads of mass produced and decent 531 frames that nobody would really care about now or in 50 years time. You should have just got one of those to hack into.
About these frames that are available, try explaining what they are before complaining that nobody wants to save them.

passionate responces.

nail on the head.

Just do whatever you feel you need to do in order to ride it. If it isn't getting ridden then its worth nothing to anyone.

may get them out and line them up for all to see while they still have all their braze ons intact

obviously a strong feeling in the camp regarding braze ons, may post to see if anyone wants to save a frame before i get my dremmel out next time
guess il take your feelings and thoughts into account for my next build

like i keep saying there are more frames than colectors who are willing to put their money into

but it is what it is now and it will be loved and looked after now its in my hands

anyway frame has now gone to the coaters. update when it comes back

It's not about how valuable or collectable or desirable the frame is you asshat, it's merely about the fact that you had a pretty nice lugged road frame that you could have used as a perfectly functional fixed wheel conversion for now and who knows who could have used it as who knows what in the future.

Now you'll have an anonymous blob with some wierd bumpy bits, a brake mount with no cable routing to it and forward facing dropouts. It'll have zero appeal to anyone else (and probably to you when you get it built and realise it has clearances you could fit a bus through) and is probably destined to be recycled into coke cans or something before the year is out.

Also, I'm not sheldon brown but I think it's probably a 50's frame rather than a 70's one looking at the bottom bracket grease port (am I way off here?).

I was gonna post some examples of conversions where nowt had been cut off - there's plenty of them in the current projects forum - but I guess it's pointless, you've done it, nothing's bringing the braze ons back.

I was gonna post some examples of conversions where nowt had been cut off...

Here you go, my first fixie...

Frame is a Bob Jackson, and is now waiting in the shed for the day i get round to dressing it back up in period (late 70s I think) shimano bits... In hindsight, so happy I listened to the cunts here mocking someone else for cutting their bits off.

That^ is exactly where I'm coming from.

And that is also the conclusion that real cycling officianados will probably come to eventually, with a classic frame. Or others might Pengy it up to fuck

Hey ho......I'm over it.

By the way, my local vets has a vacancy for someone to inject mongoloid puppies with the blue juice.....want the number?

I was going to keep out of this, but have failed. He bought a frame, and wanted to cut bits off, and then repaint it. So what?
Argument one: He has desecrated a classic frame, why couldn't he have just left the braze ons on? Following this through to it's logical conclusion, all conversions are an act of desecration, so posting photos of your own "sweet fixeh", albeit with it's braze ons intact proves you are just as guilty of this most heinous crime as he is.
Argument two: We do not own these frames, but are merely borrowing them while on this mortal plane. While not only being nauseatingly moronic, again, if we follow this through to it's logical conclusion we may as well leave the tubes as old man Reynolds intended them to be left; straight, unfetted with attachments and alone (like many on this forum). Maybe that does not go far enough, and the tube should not have been made in the first place, the Great Lord did not intend his fabulous iron ore to be forced to lie with such unholy partners as zinc and vanadium!
Argument three: The frame is now ruined and will soon end up being turned into coke cans. Firstly, coke cans are now made of aluminium. Secondly, the fantastic thing about braze ons is the way they are attached, by brazing them on. Let us hypothesise that the OP DOES come to the conclusion further down the line that he wants to rebuild the bike as Ken intended, but needs to refit what he has removed. All it will take is a few tiny pieces of steel, some MAPP gas, some silver solder, silver flux, and a new paint job. The bike is back to its former glory, OP has done something new and hopefully enjoyable, and the world hasn't ended.
If this has upset you so much, I suggest you buy the frame from the OP and do what I have mentioned above, and stop being such units.

^ tl;dr - his frame, his choice, fuck off

+1 from me

im feeling the love guys..

thanks

in my eyes its better being ridden than hiding in the attic still... end of !!!!!

i might even source some braze ons to put in a bag if i ever change my mind..
least then 1 hour of torch work can bring it back from death..

and as for the puppy killer and other personal name calling chill lads, they puppy didnt go to waste. i got a new puppy fur coat out of it also

Playah!!!

Matt

anyway frame has now gone to the coaters. update when it comes back

Scintillating, I just can't wait.

Rudeboy, please request a thread merge from hippy so the excitement is tempered by the other less exciting 'current projects' ...

And the rest of you starting your very own tedious 'look I am assembling some bicycle parts into ... guess what ... a bicycle!' threads, just stick it in current projects and spare us the tedium.

Buidling a beater? there's a thread for that. Cargo? same. Mercian? Weightweenie? CX? ditto.