Football

On what exactly?

I'm not the biggest fan of James Lawton in general but he's bang on the money with this article http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-the-yword-is-indefensible-even-if-tottenham-hotspur-fans-seek-to-own-it-8301466.html

So, if 35,000 people at a match were to shout the 'N' word every 10mins you'd expect people to react, report and consequences follow?

Yet for the last 30+yrs at WHL every 10mins Yid Army, We Are Yids etc, etc is chanted and no-one gives two fucks?!

#confuzzledface

My wifes Jewish. I'll ask her if she is offended. She's also got red hair. You'd love her pisti!

I'll summarise it for you: Y and N words are out of bounds in any form or context.

There's a clue here :-)

Well it wasn't fuckin' me.

How many times do you actually report anyone when you write "Reported"?

My thoughts on the Yid thing. It's a word I have issues with, in its new reclaimed against the racist oppressors form and its old world pejorative form. I don't use it, and always bristle when other spurs fans use it. As a way of co-opting a word that has power and make it your own I can understand, but to those who are jewish it still has the power to hurt, just like mc's using the word nigger all the time is fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings, as those who never had to go through the abuse that the word inflicted on their forebears, use it with abandon, because they've "taken it back".

Well they kinda haven't because the word still has power, and can still be used in its original negative sense, and will still cause offense as a slur.

Which is where the reporting comes in, just because you think its okay to use it, and the mass of spurs fans believe its okay to use it, doesn't mean that it is, so then just don't use it, not to describe spurs fans, or denigrate them.

On a different topic, delighted that we've signed a player (Lewis Holtby) I knew nothing about until this afternoon, who sounds an exciting prospect, fits into our buy them young philosophy, shows a wider knowledge and engagement in scouting european prospects, than 'Arrys transfer dealings, (though he was quite well known and regarded) and means we've got business done early in the transfer window, rather than right at the end.

on a zeki fryers note
Fergie throws toys out of pram over his transfer from Standard Liege to us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/04/alex-ferguson-tottenham-ezekiel-fryers

I'd ask the question if he was that valuable to you, why'd you let him go in the first place?

FYI Not me either.

As for the whole Yid debate and whether it is race/religious hatred/intolerance, I have no opinion on the matter.

As for whether there was any intent in how and when it was used, no way, it's just a ginger knob being a bit of a twat.

Who cares. It's fucking funny to see Fergie get his nads in a twist like this. Especially on the day he sends bebe off on loan - what a great signing he was. Also weren't Liege a feeder/partner club with united?!

Great signing for Tottenham, I'm not sure if you'd have watched the Champions League this year CB, but Holtby has been terrific for Schalke alongside Huntelaar.
You just need a midfielder who can control a game (Moutinho) and a proper forward (Damiao) and you are pretty much there.

That would have been Antwerp.

Holtby sure is an exciting signing and it'd be interesting to see where AVB is going to play him.

Who cares. It's fucking funny to see Fergie get his nads in a twist like this. Especially on the day he sends bebe off on loan - what a great signing he was. Also weren't Liege a feeder/partner club with united?!

Classic, smooth moves Spurs. Looks like Taggart has gone well and truly senile.

Anyway, back to todays hot topic: Gays In Football

what ones you?

The perception is that as a general rule of thumb, it is only considered ok to use the N word and Y word if you are one of the oppressed and seeking some kind of inverted empowerment. Where this argument falls down with Spurs fans is that most of them are not Jewish and some of the opposition's fans are. It is offensive. However, Spurs using the Y word is not the beginning of the problem, but the end. If songs like Chelsea's 'Bouncy' song stop being sung, then it would make the Y army's position that much more untenable. I'm a Spud and I've changed my mind about this. It's time to stop it from all fans. Semi rant over. Oh dear, incoming flaming....

This thread was better when there were tags btw.

Would it be worth to make a donation to get tags activated again?

It would be have to be an Ar$enal season ticket sized donation, as it was football thread people that caused the tags to be nuked (except on the polo forum, where we still tag away, happily).

No, it was that helmet dancing james that came in this thread and pissed on everyones chips

FWIW, on the Tottenham / Y word thing, as an Ar$enal fan, it's ironic that in lots of ways, Ar$enal are as much of a Jewish club as the Spuds. David 'Orange' Dein & Danny Fiszman were the architects of the modern Ar$enal. So it's slightly alarming to hear reports of openly anti-semitic chants by Ar$enal 'fans' at AFC / THFC games making a return (references to Holocaust, not just allusion to notional denomination of oppposition fans).

I just pine for a time when english players are as well travelled as their french/dutch/italian/german counterparts. Probably won't happen until the premiership goes into decline and wages fall, but it all feels a bit little englander, can't learn the language, complains about the food, returns to home town, tail between their legs..

'It's like a foreign country'!

Indescribably boring has a list of 'Arsene Wenger's worst signings'.

Included are: Eduardo, Reyes & Wiltord. Really? Wreh, Park & Jeffers, ok. But Eduardo? He was absolutely brilliant until he had his leg severed. Wiltord was played as a support striker / attacking midfielder, because he was in the same squad as Henry, and Reyes was hardly a failure.

I may be ignorant and missing something but what on earth is wrong with the Bouncey Bouncey song?

"We're going to bounce in a minute, bounce in a minute, bounce in a minute......Bouncey, Bouncey Bouncey Bouncey ....." And on.

How can that be racist in any way? Rather silly, yes but not racist.

Or am in missing something

Maybe it's a different bouncey song.
A little less tigger and more
http://thechels.info/wiki/%22The_Bouncy%22

Maybe it's a different bouncey song.
A little less tigger and more
http://thechels.info/wiki/%22The_Bouncy%22

Chelsea is style.

No, it was that helmet dancing james that came in this thread and pissed on everyones chips

Absolutely this.

Maybe it's a different bouncey song.
A little less tigger and more
http://thechels.info/wiki/%22The_Bouncy%22

That went out many years ago.

Chelsea is style.

How does that nice ittle Arsenal song about Auchwitz go? That was always the classiest thing in London. And you can still hear around Islington after Arsenal home games.

Sorry, Bill, but Wiltord was absolutely shit and definitely one of Wenger's worst signings. He had one 'trick' in his locker involving a turn when he received possession, which was utterly pointless given he had a turning circle similar to a supertanker, and it always meant the impetus went, which was essential for a team playing the style of high energy, incisive football that Arsenal played at the time.