• Just because there have always been lying cheaters out there doesn't reduce them to anything other than what they are: lying cheaters.

    I'm not saying Vino is, but it's sounds like he's got some allegations worth responding to.

    Not sure it should be merged with the doping thread - it's only tangentially related to doping. This is a bribery case uncovered by a doping investigation. As a librarian and indexer I remain a (powerless) authority on the topic.

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