Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

EPO fuelled I reckon, push a higher gear than idea.

The other theories is merely personal choice, Armstrong push a higher RPM whether Ullrich is much lower.
the higher cadence was to stop lactic acid build up! Ferrari if i remember of the top of my head devised a way to curtail lactic, its simple & clever. Higher cadence would mean there is not so much force, on the other hand Ullrich pushed a monster gear. Ferrari was/is a Drug Doctor but a brilliant coach.

Leinders and the lack of a clear explanation.

Sean Yates and his special bond with Brad.

Mick Rogers, former client of Ferrari, posting his best ever numbers.

Chris Froome, rank also ran until 2011, strongest rider at the TDF despite a recurrence of Bilharzia in March 2012.

The boys from the Teide camp ripping apart stage races from February to July.

Body transformations with no impact on power output.

Cunt-gate. Pledge-gate. What is wrong with omertà?

No British rider ever been on the podium of the tour before, then two come along at once? About as plausible as Bolt and Blake.

When was the last podium 1-2 by a single team? Even USPS didn't achieve that.

If it seems to good to be true...

But you didn't Brad riding like that video of Lance up the Hautacam. Plausible performances from a physiological point of view, riding against a predomitably clean field and an unjuiced Evans. Error of judgements yes, team-wide doping I doubt it

the higher cadence was to stop lactic acid build up! Ferrari if i remember of the top of my head devised a way to curtail lactic, its simple & clever. Higher cadence would mean there is not so much force, on the other hand Ullrich pushed a monster gear. Ferrari was/is a Drug Doctor but a brilliant coach.

Which mean miro got it spot on;

Did a boffin just 'discover' at some point higher cadence works?

I am enjoying the notion of Sean Yates, le professeur, masterminding a complex doping regime for Wiggins.
"Yeh, Brad, like, mumble mumble this bag of blood, like, mumble keep it cold yeh, mumble mumble like, in the fridge yeh"

Which mean miro got it spot on;
Although in the context of Tour riders, Armstrongs high spinning/cadence style was different to what i"d seen before. I don"t remember pure climbers like Lucho Herrara or Millar spinning like Lance. Robert Millar said the best climbers change the tempo, from fast to slow. I"ll give Armstrong credit for that, Ullrich was a mid tempo diesel like Mig.

Possibly a totally ridiculous question, but would the fact that they had fewer gears in the past have any bearing on this..?

if you mean between now and the 90's, highly doubtful.

what-people change gears when they climb?

I thought that's what 34x32 was for?

no?

^^I meant between the Lance's end of the Nineties and Robert Millar and earlier...

^^I meant between the Lance's end of the Nineties and Robert Millar and earlier...
Millars era also had downtube shifters harder to change gear out of the saddle! Armstrong had a deliberate style, of spinning to prevent lactic. Don"t forget his rivals Ullrich etc would have access to the same gearing. But Lance had a distinctive climbing style almost if he was climbing in an easier gear than he needed to prevent muscle fatigue.

In defence of Sky, it must be pretty herd for any team to hire anyone from that period who isn't tainted by association or deed. Banning those with a history from being involved in the sport would decimate most set ups.

I don't think that their (Sky's) performances are that suspicious when you factor in the tactics they used through building a team tailored to win the TDF and the fact there wasn't a standout individual talent up against them in this tour (e.g contador)' coupled with a route that was about as perfect for Brad and the Sky setup as you could get.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3rghqb/

chinged off his face and spinning for show more like.

...Ferrari if i remember of the top of my head devised a way to curtail lactic, its simple & clever...

Very interesting.

Possibly a totally ridiculous question, but would the fact that they had fewer gears in the past have any bearing on this..?

They had fewer, but the range has always been available. Ask Ed about old french chainsets (I dare you).

:)

Don"t forget his rivals Ullrich etc would have access to the same gear

Appropriate for this thread. ..

yeah they just didn't try hard enough. Lazy, half assed bastards.

Jamie Staff Olympic Gold medalist & USA cycling coach. quote i have just read off BBC Armstrong is a scapegoat. shit this is a better soap than when Jimmy Corkhill was on the scag. What soap do i follow, Eastenders? no, Lance fucking Armstrong!

They had to expect some peddling from him surely?

http://vimeo.com/51917734

http://vimeo.com/51917734

Fat Pat – Basically I blame every one else.

I can't believe all this Armstrong high cadence rhetoric is still being peddled. He TT'd in the 100 and up range, but certainly wasn't alone in that. His climbing cadence was lower, and there's plenty of footage where even Ullrich is pedalling faster up a climb.

Certainly in the compact-cum-biological-passport era, cadences may have slightly increased for seated climbing, but that's more a knock-on effect of going more slowly, and the decreased demand for oxygen. The EPO lot were belting it up there, and lower cadences in that context would've kept breathing under control.

And anyway, haven't you lot heard of Charly Gaul? The idea of pedalling rather than pushing on a climb isn't a contemporary notion.

I've heard of Charly Gaul, he was quite famous back in the day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20038998

Oh dear. And now he has to return the prize money.

I have never felt such schadenfreude.

He will soon just declare himself bankrupt.

Just as soon as he manages to get his assets hidden and redistributed.

In defence of Sky, it must be pretty herd for any team to hire anyone from that period who isn't tainted by association or deed. Banning those with a history from being involved in the sport would decimate most set ups.

I don't think that their (Sky's) performances are that suspicious when you factor in the tactics they used through building a team tailored to win the TDF and the fact there wasn't a standout individual talent up against them in this tour (e.g contador)' coupled with a route that was about as perfect for Brad and the Sky setup as you could get.

This. In the shitfest that is the clinic, Sky demonstrable dominance of the Tour is all they need to convict Sky of doping, but that's ignoring it wasn't a strong field, made weaker by Hesjedal crashing out and the fact Evans was off the bags, with only Nibali mounting any sort of credible challenge, and a very favourable parcours for Wiggins.

That's nothing for him, he's earnt a stupid amount from sponsorship, books, videos, personal appearances etc, even if he had to pay back all sponsors so on he'd still be worth millions just from interest n investments