Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

I wait in the queue almost all the time. Queuing is one of our national institutions, and one of the better ones at that.

Motorists in boxes ≠ Crime & fine.

Just about every single junction is littered with cyclists forcing their way to the front, causing bottle necks - irrespective of road condition - even when there is NO box. I'm struggling to see the point. Help me.

I often see junctions where cylists have filtered up and then found that the ASL box (if there is one) is full or inaccessible. They are then stuck in the blind spots of the first vehicle. This seems really dangerous.

Do ASLs do much good at all? I think they are a cop out to avoid doing proper cycle friendly road design.

Agree with the latter. They should make vehicle drivers aware of cyclists but as long as motorcycles use the boxes (my biggest irritant), they won't.

Do ASLs do much good at all? I think they are a cop out to avoid doing proper cycle friendly road design.

Sadly most cyclists don't know how to use the boxes effectively. Take the top of Tooley Street: an occasion where I do filter to the front, I'm sat there looking to turn left when another cyclist turns up having also filtered to the front stops on my left. I tell him I'm going down Borough High Street and he says he's going over London bridge. I ask why he hasn't used the (apart from us) empty box to my right? (I should have smiled but was soooooo tired because I think he took it the wrong way when I also suggested he signalled his intent to the massive truck waiting behind also turning right when he got a bit stroppy).

The box was made for filling
that is what you should do
one of these days if you're not careful
the truck will filter over you

^Needs more David Brent guitar

6/10
work on your harmonies.

If you are behind a vehicle they would have to reverse to hit you- it's fairly safe.

Also, whilst everyone is filtering past you if you take middle position you can the follow the car and overtake all the numpties.

^Reep

tl;dr

I agree with MG - It would help if cyclists filled the boxes rather than just queueing along the curb and down the side of vehicles.

Ha Ha, I see this guy quite a lot on my commute. He does lots of undertaking, I saw him a few days ago coming up to a red light undertaking a stationary bus, the light turns green as he is doing this and he ends up grounding his pedals on the kerb. Also saw him this week in Shepherds Bush, jumping red light and narrowly avoiding getting hit.

His bike has a hub gear, and his chain is really really slack. His bike handling skills are pretty bad too - lots of wobbling around when he is filtering through traffic.

All round dangerous kind of rider.

It sounds like he wasn't just having an off day when I saw him. He had a real arrogance about him.
If he carries on riding like that, it's just a matter of time before he's under a bus...

If it looks like a twat, and rides like a twat....we all know what it is. ;-)

I wait in the queue almost all the time. Queuing is one of our national institutions, and one of the better ones at that.

Tutting is good

It sounds like he wasn't just having an off day when I saw him. He had a real arrogance about him.
If he carries on riding like that, it's just a matter of time before he's under a bus...

If it looks like a twat, and rides like a twat....we all know what it is. ;-)

                                I think every day is an off day for him. I did shout at him once when he was doing something dangerous, he just carried on regardless.....

Had a great one the other morning. I noticed a frantic-commuter guy on a hybrid as he kept riding around the front of every redlight queue (motorists and cyclists), then dived through a closing gap between a van and a bus and shouted abuse as the van driver. Next set of lights he pulls around everyone, slams on the brakes and snaps the front disc cable. In a true dorky Partidge-esque manner he exclaims 'SHEEEET' at it a few times like he's having a kiddie tantrum - amusing and alarming me in equal measure because now they guy is riding with only a rear brake. At the next set of lights he arrives, long sequence, green man comes on for the waiting pedestrians and he simply accelerates off into a wall of them crossing the road.

I'd love to meet this clown off-the-bike and find out if he's that irrational, unreasonable and moronic 24/7.

Nobody cares about those boxes. I even see the police completely covering them. Complete waste of paint and just further proof that the biggest problem for cyclists in this country will always be ATTITUDE.

^this

http://www.lfgss.com/post2485196-847.html

(From DJ)
just had a call from Andrew Collett at Hammersmith police station. The police had previously not considered the danger of cars filling the ASL or that it would leave cyclists in the cycle lane in the most vulnerable position on the road (on the inside of vehicles that are turning left).

After my explanation of risk the police have reconsidered their policing of the Hammersmith gyratory, and will be enforcing the law for all road users who jump the red light. This means that they will continue to fine cyclists who RLJ, but cars that enter the ASL after the lights have turned red will be considered to have run the red light which entails 6 points on their licence.

Today was the first day they have started to have officers monitoring the junction for both types of infringement.

It really is worth contacting the police regarding the enforcement of ASL's. I am very happy to see the law being equally enforced for both motorists and cyclists.

So rather than whinge on here, perhaps call the relevant people.

Sounds great, but I doubt it will last and again until drivers attitudes are changed, no fines will make a bit of difference. Like I say, I see police cars totally filling those boxes and looking as if they have no idea just like any other motorist.

Well don't bother telling us, contact the appropriate people instead.

again, ATTITUDE is the problem. The big old "appropriates" dont exist ha

You are failing to understand. Direct your complaint to the right people, then the law will be enforced and people may respect it.

Right now the ASLs are generally not enforced so people ignore them.

You can change this but not by complaining here.

You are failing to understand. Direct your complaint to the right people, then the law will be enforced and people may respect it.

Right now the ASLs are generally not enforced so people ignore them.

You can change this but not by complaining here.

I have seen police cars parked in the asl box, I hat tapped on their windows and politely asked if they were aware they should not be there - I have been totally ignored. I have shouted at them on other occasions, and been treatened with arrest.

So if a direct complaint to someone who is supposed to enforce the law is ignored, what should I do?

Don't shout at Joe Blue while he's in his shitbox on the street and then act all surprised when he gets a bit Sweeney on you. Talk to his boss. Or his boss's boss or ......

Your average fuzzy bob isn't a customer complaints department for the Met, he's a government sanctioned bouncer who stops larry gary and harry from bouncing off each other outside Wetherspoons of a thursday afternoon.

hahahaha exactly^

Yep, so contact the appropriate person, his boss. Having a whinge here will not make a difference.