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Yeah, get shot of those nasty starfish cranks!!!!
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They're an acquired taste.
Only for the discriminating.;-)
The (rare triple) chainset and BB will probably sell for what you paid for the bike -
Oh and lovely bike, quite a find.
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I'm actually a big fan of any mavic groupsets - my 2 faves are the 851 derailleur - (completely dismantleable)
and the double chainring 631 starfish chainset (best served with Time Equipes* for full francophilia)
(*If you can get hold of the cleats - I have 4 pairs of pedals at home and not a cleat to my name) -
Sarcasm fail. Sorry.
I too am a big fan.
See my white Cougar on previous page- second generation Tout Mavic (pedals too) -
Very nice sir, that's the rear mech that usually accompanies starfish isn't it - 840???
and 646 pedals too - I have them on my beater (thought I was the only one still using them!!!)
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Merci.
Yes 840, it shifts really well on a respaced campag exadrive cassette on the lush 571 hubs.
Pedals were NOS, now not so much.
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Cheers!
I really like the 646, it's like having red and black look cleats at the same time!
571 hubs are indeed fabulous, I've only ever had 501's which were nice enough -
A lot more of this Mavic stuff turns up in France than elsewhere (I guess that should be obvious) but still, a pair of 571s are something I'm still waiting to come across, even if it means buying a bike to grab them. I think all I've seen so far is part of one at some exhorbitant price.
501s are awesome and everywhere, 520s are awesome too and recently there seems to have been a glut of them going for sale.
I ended up being given some wheels with Sachs New Success hubs a few weeks ago and they're certainly equal to the Mavics I have and even look a little nicer too.
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There was also a pair of paris dakar on uk ebay at the weekend, went for <£20 with both a 120mm & 135mm OLN axle - looked to be in reasonable condition too, I didn't bid as high as I should, someone got a bargain
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Sachs New Success are also excellent especially the later versions with Campag Ergo's - the finish quality of that kit is second to none, and it's sufficiently under the radar to be scene-tax exempt!!!
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+1 on the New Success gear. I won't allow myself another slavish full group build but if I did I'd probably go Sachs NS with ergos. They're also supposed to work with the Mavic 840 rear derailleur and I was thinking about a set for the Cougar but I'd forgotten how much I like DT shifters.
571 hubs are expensive and rightly much sought after, especially with a Shimano or Campag free hub - which you have to have for them to be useful, these were only available as options for the second version 571/2 (HG for Shimano hyperglide ED for Campag Exadrive). they have a slightly different hub shell shape from the 571. Coincidentally I pulled out a 'spare' pair from the parts box yesterday which I'm going to have built up on Macic SSC Paris Roubaix rims for the Cougar. I was sitting fondling them watching the box when Mrs Absurdbird walked in and caught me at it.
Sad.
I was looking for years getting that group together at prices I could afford/justify the seat post is super rare and when I wanted them I couldn't find cheap pedals - I agree they're a smart design although I've dialled out almost all the float.The cool thing about the hubs is how easy they are to disassemble and service, I can change over the free hub body with 2 5 mm Allen keys in about 20 seconds, all the bearings are still available and you can fit them yourself, the only part I want to squirrel away are replacement pawls. It's a real shame Mavic got bought by another company and stopped making all that gear.
There are still some caches of these parts out there 90% of my group was NOS.
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Hunting for a crank arm in my potting shed this morning I came across this...
Presumably that's the owners address stamped on the dog tag!
I've no immediate usage for this - if anyone else has a need for this charming piece drop me a PM -
^ that's purty.
Shame the French are all such short arses.Never see any long French stems.
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Although some are freakishly tall;
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This one's got some amazing details;
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yep - It's 90mm, 25mm clamp (I think).
Internal routing for gear cables.....
and that handlebar stem...
The centre-pull caliper bosses are interesting - is there any specific benefit to bolting the c/pull caliper to bosses rather than through the fork crown?
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Thanks for posting those pics of the Herse, I don't know how to do such computertrickery.
Re. brazed on centrepulls
You can braze on any centrepull afaik. I've read that the B/O bosses for Mafac cantis can be adapted to work but it's a frame builder job and one who knows what they're doing.
I spoke to Barry Witcomb about C/P brazed on bosses years ago and he'd never seen it done, but he was willing to have a go. I don't think any UK builders except maybe Jack Taylor did it.
I've seen a really beautiful Italian pure race bike from the early 60s with them so it wasn't just the French cyclotourists.
Mafac racers are excellent brakes, set up right with modern pads and cables they're equal to a dual pivot and piss on single pivots. When Campag took a step back and (re) introduced the single pivot side pull in the late 60s allmost all pro bikes had Mafac centrepulls.
They're forged ally and they made several million of them so you can get them cheap and get parts, brazing them on makes them very light because you lose the 'bridge' and stiff because the pivots are much closer to the fork crown and seat stay bridge you don't get the flex you get with cantis (built in brake booster).
Modern brake design is going back to the principles of C/P brakes (disk brakes aside) moving 2 pivots closer to the rim and lengthening the lever arms, this is what dual pivots do but they're heavy ( mostly) and need to be set close to the rim.
The drawbacks with the Mafacs are brake squeal as there's no built in toe-in and slightly fiddly set up. Paul do a Cnc'd C/P which you can get a braze on for, they dont work with Mafac or Dia Comp and they're heavier and not forged and expensive but the faux retro crowd like them.
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I renovated this Motobecane Equipe Pro as a gift for my girlfriends brother. It hurt a little, but be's a happy man now.
Motobecane Equipe Pro (1983 team replica)
Frameset: Motobecane Equipe Pro – Vitus tubing (59 cm)
Speedgroup: Shimano Altus (rear derailleur, front derailleur, shifters)
Cog: Gipiemme Crono Sprint 6-speed freewheel
Crankset: SR with Motobecane sticker
Brake Levers: Weinmann
Brakes: Weinmann with Motobecane sticker
Handle bar: Motobecane
Handle bar tape: White rubber brev. Motobecane fabrication Hutchinson
Seatpost: SR
Saddle: Concor Selle San Marco
Front wheel: Mavic Module 4 (clincher), Miche hub
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Hello, I noticed you put up a pic of a PX/PY-10 Peugeot and said you wanted the same but bigger. I have a 1980 PKN-10 (one down from the PX/PY of that year). It is 62 cm I think, I have a 33 inside leg and am 6 foot tall and it is too big for me! I have been riding it on and off for years but have to admit defeat. Give me a ring if you are interested, pics are here (it got stolen but I recovered it, posted the tale on here): http://www.lfgss.com/thread26120.html
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The saddle part I can do: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7126/7413510164_6c36dd6fd4_c.jpg
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any 22mm stems floatng about...?
http://www.briko-bike.fr/fr/8-potences#/page-2
or search ebay.fr for 'potence'
They're really hard to find over 100 mm though.
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£82 well spent yesterday - a cheap local bike, Gillen were based somewhere in the 'burbs of Paris.
Largely 1st gen Campy Chorus save for the Mavic cranks & BB, KKT pedals and retrofriction shifters.
Shame the fork is pretty rusty as the rest is in good nick but hopefully it will come up nicely. Worryingly there's one large patch of serious rust behind the brakes, would be sad to have to splurge on a replacement.
Other than that a quick clean, some new cables and it ought to ride nicely (well, it already does). I just know I'm gonna have to get some 1st gen Chorus cranks now though seeing as the group is nigh on complete.
Gillen