• If the latter, I am just as entitled to speculate how odd it is that a team with a dodgy doctor and a dodgy DS has managed to change a pursuit rider to a TDF winner with a body transformation, and to take a nobody with bilharzia to second in the vuelta and the tour, whilst hiring riders (Mick Rogers) who have conspicuously dodgy pasts.

    Wiggo was a TdF contender before Sky, fourth with Garmin 2009 of course. Vaughters has said he is sure Wiggo was clean when he rode for them, although he didn't consider him a GC contender. He's also said he thinks Wiggo is clean now, because his power output hasn't changed since his time there (this is from the horses mouth so to speak: JV posted this in the clinic). We know good track riders can make it on the road, can top pursuiters (and lets remember Wiggins is/was one of the best pursuiters in the world|) turn into GC contenders?

    I would say of course they can if the engine is good enough. Pursuiters make very good TTers, and that is one half of makes a good GC rider. Usually it's a climber than can TT, in Wiggo's case its a TTer that can climb. But I still don't think he's that good a climber. His win was a team effort, isolated on climbs he would get hurt you tend to think.

    The conspiracy theory is now in overdrive of course, but the truism remains that the numbers being oput out are achievable clean, both in the Vuelta and in the Tour

    He was ori

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