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Agreed, but to go back to Andy's initial point that Contador, Valverde 'look suspicious', they are actually producing watts/kg well below where Wiggins and Froome were at the tour.
Either you make judgements based on evidence, or you make it on perception. If the former, we have to give everyone a free run for current performance.
If the latter, I am just as entitled to speculate how odd it is that a team with a dodgy doctor and a dodgy DS has managed to change a pursuit rider to a TDF winner with a body transformation, and to take a nobody with bilharzia to second in the vuelta and the tour, whilst hiring riders (Mick Rogers) who have conspicuously dodgy pasts.