Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

That's OK then - my kids are eligible.
Born; San Francisco, Peckham and Ladywell.

:-D

interesting take by one of the old school forum boys

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/08/28/us-cycling-looks-to-future-but-remains-tangled-in-its-past/

g'day Tim!!

Is that badtm?

Obama born in Hawaii - he's a forrun innit?

Humour fail

Or humor. Yours or mine though - I'm not sure

I'm forrun so probably mine

I remember saying that having been so close to death, he would have never messed with drugs just to win a race, be it the greatest of them all. I was probably wrong...

I heard someone else say if he hadn't abused steroids he may never have got cancer in the first place

I've heard a lot of people say that recently and I think it's pretty low. "Even his cancer was his own doing!"

It's speculation at best, with fuck all evidence.

There is circumstantial evidence to suggest that the detection of his cancer was affected by doping / masking / deceit.

I did say "may", which implies speculation
And as with everything else we are all rehashing stuff other people say or write. I was just trying to counterbalance his statement with someone else's.

I've heard a lot of people say that recently and I think it's pretty low. "Even his cancer was his own doing!"

There is strong evidence that steroid abuse can cause cancer.

It's speculation at best, with fuck all evidence.

There is circumstantial evidence to suggest that the detection of his cancer was affected by doping / masking / deceit.

I don't know how circumstantial it is. If the UCI were testing him properly in the mid 90's they would have detected the abnormal testosterone levels caused by his cancer. Either they weren't testing properly or they were covering up the results - his cancer would have been detected sooner.

Cancer is a bit more complex that simply being caused by a single agent. Best you can say is it increases the risk. And a lot of things do. Steroids can be given as part of a cancer treatment.

LA had cancer and he doped. You can not prove causality in a single subject

Cancer is a bit more complex that simply being caused by a single agent. Best you can say is it increases the risk. And a lot of things do. Steroids can be given as part of a cancer treatment.

LA had cancer and he doped. You can not prove causality in a single subject

True, it was a bit tabloid of me.

http://www.globalchange.com/steroids.htm

" Typical problems you will find in people who abuse anabolic steroids include liver tumors and cancer, jaundice (yellow skin from liver failure), retention of fluid, high blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes, increases in LDL (dangerous form of cholesterol), kidney cancer, acne and trembling.

Men may find their testes shrink, sperm count falls with increase of infertility, their hair falls out, breasts start to develop, and prostate cancer becomes more likely. More than half of body-builder sterod abusers will typically experience enlarged breasts and shrunken male organs."

We only know for a FACT that Lance has cured cancer over 500 times¹

¹ Liggett, P - Ballz Visual Radio, 27 August 2012

I'd say it's highly unlikely that synthetic Steroids caused Lance's Testicular Cancer over the short period of time he would have been taking them. It usually takes 30-40 years of abuse (much like Alcohol, Tobacco and poor diet) to have any effect, and remember that Steroids are a naturally occuring substance in the body.

As dst says, synthetic Steroids are often given as a cancer treatment eg after chemo to ease allergic reactions/nausea

No - we're saying that the steroids were for saddle sores.

No - we're saying that the steroids were for saddle sores.

He haz a script an everything.

I think Ligget has been promised position of High Priest and as many wives as he can handle.
It's a ceremonial role for The Foundation – governors of The LIVESTRONG Republic (formally North Shore, Auckland NZ – see upthread).

:-)

There may or may not be a UFO involved.

I say Floyd Landis is actually Lance's missing testicle and that's why they have such a fraught relationship.

balls to that

#glowtime

powder under the fingernail, piss over it and 'presto!': testing negative

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network