Road bike recommendations

In terms of complete bike pricing. Veloce costs a fair bit more than Apex. So its not a fair comparision...

For those on a budget complete bikes with 105 or apex/rival offer far better bang for buck.

Cinelli Experience with Veloce // Canyon Roadlite with Apex come in around the same price.

Veloce is pretty good, weights about the same as Apex (and less than 105). The chainrings are a bit soft.