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Thanks for the update.
I've was looking at primitive robot's bj this morning (and yeah it does look sweat) but decided that as it's not quite a 58ctc and I'm hoping to get something with tighter fork clearance (and no brake holes) I'd let it go.
I've just been looking at your vivalo too and trying to convince myself that at 186cm it wouldn't be too small for me - it's got the tight clearances and lack of brake drillings I'm after.