Road bike recommendations

Canyon UK won't use cyclescheme last I checked.

It's simple - the rim is smaller and wider than a 700c which gives you enough room to run a big tyre which brings the wheel back to almost the same size as a 700c. Plus you'll usually have room for mudguards as well.

Decided to pump it up and see how it look.

placed it on my Dad's bike, 700c x 25c.

the diameter look quite similar with the 650b x 42c, the 700c is a touch bigger (hard to see).

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Indeed ;)

But yes you prove the point of 650b conversions well. Although I guess one could ask why bother to build a new bike with 650b? You could just account for the extra size when you're building the frame.

I still think they've got a place. Although the only ones Ive ridden are increadibley old battered pugs...which just feel like any old beaten beater.

You could just account for the extra size when you're building the frame

Making something which steers properly and doesn't have toe overlap is fine for me with 700x38, but I'm 6'1". For shorties, not so much.

That's one of the things that really appeals to my 5ft8" self.

Looking for a steel road frame for 1 1/8 forks, with classic geo, room for mudguards and not over 250-300pounds

Could find any, but is there any alternatives to a Surly Pacer frameset?

As a new frameset only? I think you'll struggle.

There are a few that come as builds, so maybe check ebay to see if people are selling. I think most framesets will be more than that.

Okay, any suggestions if the budget gets a little higher?

Kaffenback and a powdercoat?

Steve Goff or Roberts etc

Kaffenback and a powdercoat?

Relly don't like the geo.

Genesis equilibrium.

^ that's what I thought...the red paint job is very nice, but does it come as a frame set only ?

... or more to the point could someone who worked at Evans order one as a frame set only ;)

You can order one as a frameset;

£255 (give or take according to Google), look what someone else did with their;

thought those frames were long drop only?

It's all out of stock..

Any with a horisontal tt?

There are quite a few othe places selling them too

Okay, but still would like geo with the horisontal tt.

Second hand or custom then...

Unless you want a steel cross frame like genesis cdf or something?

I understand where you're coming from though... I would like something similar but it doesn't seem to be a well catered for niche in the market. Bear in mind that Steve goff's frames start at 300 ish for a 531 and you would be able to specify mudguard mounts, geo and colour as they not OTP

http://www.steve-goff-frames.co.uk/frames.shtml

Looking for a steel road frame for 1 1/8 forks, with classic geo, room for mudguards and not over **2500-3000 **pounds

FTFY: Pegoretti, obviously.

Mudguards? Pffft.

FTFY: Pegoretti, obviously.

Mudguards? Pffft.

It's for my everyday bike.

I have a reynolds 853 Bob Jackson for road use.

Unless you want a steel cross frame like genesis cdf or something?

I understand where you're coming from though... I would like something similar but it doesn't seem to be a well catered for niche in the market. Bear in mind that Steve goff's frames start at 300 ish for a 531 and you would be able to specify mudguard mounts, geo and colour as they not OTP

http://www.steve-goff-frames.co.uk/frames.shtml

Right now it's either a Steve Goff (does he do 1 1/8? all his frames on the page is 1") or a Surly Pacer. I'll give Steve a ring on monday. Hopefully my english will manage since he doesn't have e-mail...

thought those frames were long drop only?

He did says mudguard, room for 32c tyres, 28c with mudguard.

Genesis fit th bill for a fast road/audax bike, I used my CdF for audax which worked well but the rather slack geo and heavier weight mean it felt closer to a tourer than an audax.

Remove a chainring, and the spacer tower and swap the bars for some townie, and this is what i'm after.