RLJ (Red Light Jumping). (The definitive bikeradar thread)

Its your point, you justify it. Defending people who break petty laws is not the same as defending people who break more grave laws. Where you put speeding/RLJ in there is up to you, but they are not in the same place.

You are (deliberately?) missing the point.

Both camps put "their" offence into the "petty" box and the other groups offence into the "grave" box.

Until we, as a group, realise that we are in denial about this we are never going to escape being labelled a bunch of hipocrites.

Your own assertions on what is serious and what is not is irrelevant, unless you are just being an apologist for those that RLJ.

EDIT kind of what Tiswas said- until we admit we have a problem, and therefore lose the "us and them", we are going nowhere.

It's be nice if motorists admitted they have a problem, also.