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  • none of this stuff makes much difference to cat 4 riders or hobbyists in my experience. I often see guys on very basic kit out-riding guys on high-end stuff on club rides and races. couple of summers ago i managed to beat one of the rapha guys on our way up box hill. he was on zipps, i was on 105/open pro/gp4000s trainers.
    carbons feel awesome, but at the level most of us ride that's about the only reason to buy them.

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