• Thanks Rik, that looks promising but from the photos I see of Ciocc frames most of them seem to have panto'd parts on the frames saying Ciocc, such as on the top of the seat stays near the seatpost.......?

    I have emailed Ciocc with the frame number, not too much confidence they will get back to me, but you have to try.

    It might help with further photos so will upload some more tomorrow

    Thanks for your help

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