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Good reply that, straight and to the point. I have friends working in furniture/products who get stuff manufactured in China for the same reasons, the quality and attention to detail is better.
exactly, if it was better here it would be made here.
the amount of stick i get working for a large sports firm is unreal. -
80 year old woman with limited flying experience manages to land light aircraft after her husband dies while at the controls.
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80 year old woman with limited flying experience manages to land light aircraft after her husband dies while at the controls.
Awesome story.
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neither have i, but i assume if the reports are bad they whould do something about it, otherwise why publish the report?
regardless. i not getting into this discussion, i just liked the reply regarding manufacturer. as its true
Sorry, busy few days but I did want to go back to this for a second.
It's difficult to change things, and the things that are really terrible, Apple have worked at changing. They haven't addressed everything though, and if you are interested (I know you say you aren't) I can point you to some interesting and informative reports by both Apple and independent watchdogs about what happens in their factory.
One of the points I heard recently that I found really interesting (possibly epic win level of interesting? I'm pretty geeky) is that although it is a common lament that things just aren't made by hand any more, we are living in an age where more things are made by hand then at any other period in history (we aren't talking percentages, of course, we are talking item numbers, but still). What is different is that we aren't seeing the hands that are making them.
In any case, if anyone is interested I can a few interesting documents/documentaries your way.
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Sorry, busy few days but I did want to go back to this for a second.
It's difficult to change things, and the things that are really terrible, Apple have worked at changing. They haven't addressed everything though, and if you are interested (I know you say you aren't) I can point you to some interesting and informative reports by both Apple and independent watchdogs about what happens in their factory.
i only say i'm not interested as at the moment i work for a large clothing company, witch when people know i work there, trot out the same old stuff about working conditions, witch are generally false/misleading.
I know how my company operate, i assume Mac operate much the same when it comes to said factories. i like to think i have a good idea on china manufacturing. -
Fair enough...er...
I'm going to leave this here, in case you want to spend and interesting hour listening to it. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/454/mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
There has been a retraction on some of what was said, and the retraction is in another hour long show which is here http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction
The retraction doesn't really cover any of the facts of what is happening, it's covering the fact that some of it didn't happen to Mr Daisy, and some of it has (as you say) already been addressed. In any case, I found it a good way to spend a few hours, and I'm just a lacky.
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er...and This American Life is filled with EPIC win.
This week had a really great story about how american fundraising politics work, and has a great look at lobyists and where party money comes from.
Ok, I know when I'm not welcome...
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I'm guessing this is a repost but I only just saw it and it's brilliant.
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That was awesome! Truly epic. I used to go to Manchester velodrome ten years ago and watch Swifty race in the future stars events at the Revolution series.He was great then, brilliant now!
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Fair enough...er...
I'm going to leave this here, in case you want to spend and interesting hour listening to it. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/454/mr-daisey-and-the-apple-factory
There has been a retraction on some of what was said, and the retraction is in another hour long show which is here http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/retraction
The retraction doesn't really cover any of the facts of what is happening, it's covering the fact that some of it didn't happen to Mr Daisy, and some of it has (as you say) already been addressed. In any case, I found it a good way to spend a few hours, and I'm just a lacky.
The "some of it that didn't happen to Mr Daisey" is pretty much all of it, but some of it is just pure fabrication (pun intended), see Gruber's points here:
http://daringfireball.net/2012/03/baby_from_the_bath_waterUsing the phrase "their factory" above is kind of accusation by association (not sure you intended it as such) - Foxconn are contracted by Apple, they aren't the same company, and while Apple may be the largest and most prominent of tech companies to contract from Foxconn, pretty much every other tech company of note does too - these other companies' silence on the matter, compared to Apple's relative transparency, is to me far more enlightening than Daisey's stage act.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not being an apologist at all for the kind of conditions/tragedies/human rights abuses that intevitably occur in factories like Foxconn's* - it's just that I think the spotlight should be on the double-ender of our throwaway consumerist society and the relentless, crushing drive for profit margin / RRP advantage between rival companies, rather than just blaming one of those companies.**
However, it's a deep and troubled inner monologue to have, on our society that turns over an enormous amount of silicon on a daily, throwaway cycle, expecting to buy it for less and less, and what that means for working conditions/the environment/ourselves. But tech companies and blogs aren't going to raise the issue, as they rely on the industries' continuation, health and the relentless drive for the next best thing. It's easier to bash the hell out of linkbait, on a company that guarantees attention if you can get a scoop.
*(I'm not a crusty hippy, my livelihood is heavily dependent on the tech industry)
**(Apple are naturally de rigeur for bashing at the moment, since their transition from underdog to emporer)
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Ha, I did read it actually.
It's funny, this is coming up at the same time that I'm talking to a friend in the states about media reporting and how we go about getting our information, and both of us have found ourselves spending more time looking at things from three or four different countries and media types (Huffington Post, New York Times, blog from interested expert, Al Jeezera and NPR) before dividing by pi and coming up with our own opinions.
Does this make me feel better informed? Nope, it just makes me more aware that everything I'm reading is written by a thinking, feeling person who has there own ideas of right and wrong.
Now, I pointed out that Apple talks about what it's own issues are with Foxconn, and I think I said that I thought it was great. Original source transparency is so important.
We live in an interesting time, and I think it's worthwhile to spend the time to look at what we buy and why, where it's made and how, and to have debates like this (even in inappropriate threads) as we are very lucky to have someone who works in technology and someone who works in manufacturing in China sharing their first hand opinions with people like me, that are just interested in the dispersal of information.
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^ Thoroughly agree.
Original source transparency is so important.
This is why I think Daisey is an absolute cockpiece, doubly so for not apologising honestly when called on it, but mumbling some bullshit about the art/journalism moqueca that he claims to be brewing. "Art" masquerading as Journalism is, in my book, Lying. Lying more and wheedling excuses when called on it is Spineless.
(let's stop filling Epic Win with something that is undoubtedly not a win and get back to teh internetz)
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