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@barmeybear
Exactly, I don't plan on doing any track riding realistically, bar one offs, but I've always really liked the idea of a Kerin frame or similar, the Langster frame is full if small dings and dents, really looking worse for wear, but at least I can ride it around with out really worrying about it maybe a mid range frame, but I'd kids like one with a bit of history or legacy, like a nag or a bridgestone, might hard to fine one in a 58cm as all Kerin riders are tiny