Plane / Planes / Aircraft / Aeroplane / Airplane appreciation

Yes, come on Andy, you have to admire his logic here, especially when you consider the myriad non-military uses that "bombers" and "fighters" are put to.

Winston, anyone that plays the moron, doesn't look particularly clever, and certainly not intellectual. Andy and yourself, are clearly anti-war-machine, and I wholly understand that. But, this country, the UK, is in most part, an island, and has had to be pretty good at war, to defend it self from being carved up by the French, or Spanish, or whoever, from hundreds of years ago.

Making war machines keeps your odds of being taken over, reduced. Would other armies agree to only arming their men with staves, if the UK offered to do so first? Would Argentina (a war I disagreed with by the way) have kept to their own legal agreement, and left the Falklands in UK hands, if the resistance was staves and slingshots? No.

The defence industry is dirty, but protecting what is yours, is not the same thing. I (rather hysterically) objected to the thread on knives, as I have a pathological dislike for them, so I sympathise with not liking planes that are designed for killing people. But countries need to be defended, from the sea, on the ground, and from the air. There is a lot of beautiful engineering in the design, and testing of these fighter/bomber/military planes; and I am an admirer of that beauty, and innovation. And of course, the naked power, of the engines, and the speeds attained.

A world without weapons is a utopia, and frankly Winston, I wish you were there. You really are a dismal, and tragically uniformed bore. I don't mind when Andyp disagrees with me, and its on numerous matters, but I respect his intellect.