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Brun for a start.

I fucking hate the 'defence industry' for a myriad of reasons, from the spurious PR bullshit it spouts, the fact that it trivialises the killing and maiming of civilians and the cosy relationship it has with government who waste massive amounts of public money on vanity projects.

Andy, I don't like the defence industry much either, but I do like beautiful engineering; be that the Jaguar E-Type, the Moulton bikes (lovely), or the SU-27 Flanker (or) MiG-29 Fulcrum. I don't admire the B-29 Enola Gay, because what it stands for can never be good. I'm with you all the way from that persepctive Andy.

In case we forget, bicycles were used as tools in WW 1, to transport fighters more quickly to their destinations.