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@Fixed&Broken
I'm not wishing to fuel the fire here but there is something of a contradiction to the statement you're making when you incliude the following in the locks that work thread:
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16mm/17mm** *(or equivalent strength)*:
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Abus Granit X-Plus 54 [13mm]
So in that case you say it is as strong and in this one you say it's not. I can't say I like the tone of the post by wapiti but I can see how confusion might occur.