• Reach is the distance between the bars and the saddle...fitting shorter forks and steepening the angles of the whole bike doesn't magically stretch the top tube Ed.
    YOU chose to alter the reach by moving the saddle, numbnuts! :]
    You're confusing two different things!

    lower the fork = steepened the head angle, we got that

    put handlebar and saddle forward a bit, not a problem. except the BB doesn't move forward, thus I moved the saddle back a bit.

    is that's not the case?

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