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Tried layers but that doesn't work either. Compression on the hands seems to cause a poor flow of blood and then numbness. It's counter intuitive but looser gloves that allow air flow seem to work better. I think that lobster gloves is what I will go for next, although as it hadn't been as cold as last year so far, I was hoping to get through the winter without having to buy another pair of gloves.
Haven't tried hand warmers yet so may do that on my next longer ride to see what happens.