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I have a suggestion. Try and get the Times involved with the Blackfriars Bridge Campaign, write to them explain the background, try and get them onside. A paper like the Times leaning on the Mayoral candidates at election time could produce a really good, of use to cyclists, practical result.
And if various candidates promise changes then The Time could claim a victory, which newspapers always like when running a campaign. -
And if various candidates promise changes then The Time could claim a victory, which newspapers always like when running a campaign.
Have you seen Londoners On Bikes? trying to do exactly what you suggest already!
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My response to the points in the graphic:
What fucking experts, based on what research? 20mph you have to be fucking kidding me with the traffic as it is in the pretty picture most motorists have difficulty sticking to 30mph let alone 20.
The government is cutting public spending like never before (or at least trying to) but you want them to go around redesigning and rebuiling the pavements of every street in every major city in the UK. On what basis do you say that "cyclist (and motorists) are safest when bikes and cars are separated"?
See point 2. Pie in the fucking sky!
Why so you can appease Jeremy fucking Clarkson? get.to.fuck.
Right, so instead of us cycling along the driver's side of cars, you want us to cycle on the passenger side when they will be even more likely to just fling the door open into our faces as it is harder for them to look in the mirror and check behind before opening the door.
I thought that this had already been largely done (in London at least) and that pedestrians and park users complained vociferously about it but still manage to wonder all over the fucking cycle paths without a care in the world actually making it more stressful at times than cycling on the road.
This is almost sensible, well done.
Or, and this is the really fucking radical idea, use the existing infrastructure but EDUCATE people as to how to behave on the road. Make it socially unacceptable to break traffic laws (lets face it less than 50 years ago it was still considered to drive into the country on a sunny summer afternoon, get bladdered and drive home). Stop people who continuously show they cannot drive safely and responsibly from holding a licence...... IT IS A PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT.
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From their article about views from the driver's cab, “You can’t see her until it’s too late,” said Jason Stockham, the driver. “You should have the best Hi Viz, helmet and lights you can. You have got to do everything you can to let me see you.”
A helmet will help you to be seen, apparently.
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From their article about views from the driver's cab, “You can’t see her until it’s too late,” said Jason Stockham, the driver. “You should have the best Hi Viz, helmet and lights you can. You have got to do everything you can to let me see you.”
A helmet will help you to be seen, apparently.
He didn't mentioned anything about pedestrian requiring such equipment...
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My response to the points in the graphic:
- Right, so instead of us cycling along the driver's side of cars, you want us to cycle on the passenger side when they will be even more likely to just fling the door open into our faces as it is harder for them to look in the mirror and check behind before opening the door.
Some of the videos of the new American Cycle Lanes that are set up like this (Chicargo and New York I think) are actually really good. Plenty of space between passenger doors and the bikes, enforced by floppy bollards. Will take a look for video/photos later
- Right, so instead of us cycling along the driver's side of cars, you want us to cycle on the passenger side when they will be even more likely to just fling the door open into our faces as it is harder for them to look in the mirror and check behind before opening the door.
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Some of the videos of the new American Cycle Lanes that are set up like this (Chicargo and New York I think) are actually really good. Plenty of space between passenger doors and the bikes, enforced by floppy bollards. Will take a look for video/photos later
I'd love to see them fit on the roads in London. Stephen Hawking could be the lead technician on the space-time distortion methods required :/
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Some of the videos of the new American Cycle Lanes that are set up like this (Chicargo and New York I think) are actually really good. Plenty of space between passenger doors and the bikes, enforced by floppy bollards. Will take a look for video/photos later
I hadn't seen that before, here is a video and it looks better than I thought it would:
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You guys have all seen this thread right?
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^that's what we need!
Grid system and wide streets. Only thing is we'd need to demolish half of London to do it... but like a well seasoned chamois it's old and starting to get a bit smelly-better just be done with it and start from scratch-the rubble will come in handy for filling in the potholes in this fair city's highways anyway.
On a more serious note I got an email this morning inviting me to share my story in this weekend's edition of the times with photo of me on my bike and everything. Not really my cuppa anyway as I'm quite a private chap, but I declined more because I think the language they are using and the way they've chosen to articulate the argument is already far too charged. This might be fine for selling papers but it's probably very counter productive in making the very valuable opportunity that this is actually have any kind of positive effect.
far better to have consulted CTC/LCC before writing the teeth gnashing articles and speaking of 'revolt' imhop.
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This can get to fuck. It's a ridiculous, regressive and repressive notion.
I wouldn't waste your energy on this. It will NEVER happen.
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They have.
from CTC website.
"they have taken advice from CTC and other organisations and come up with an 8 point plan of action..."Wow. I am really surprised-didn't strike me that way at all. I know it's obviously an emotive issue when people are dying and being injured but some language still seems to be very confrontational where the accident stats really just need to speak for themselves.
Another poor cyclist deceased in another rider down thread today... Horrific-I just wish newspaper articles would be enough in themselves to stop it but truth is there is huge amount of long term political pressure and economic willpower before things will start to change for the good.
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3306318.ece - the list of organisations supporting The Times campaign:
British Cycling - www.britishcycling.org.uk
The AA - www.theAA.com
The European Cyclists’ Federation - www.ecf.com
Sustrans - www.sustrans.co.uk
Brake - www.brake.org.uk
London Cycling Campaign - www.lcc.org.uk
Roadpeace - www.roadpeace.org
Cyclists Touring Club - www.ctc.org.uk
Cycling Embassy of Great Britain - www.cycling-embassy.org.uk
Cyclists in the City - www.cyclelondoncity.blogspot.com
Russell Jones & Walkers Solicitors - www.rjw.co.uk
IBikeLondon - www.ibikelondon.blogspot.com -
What's safer is for drivers to obey the law. All of the law, all of the time. That doesn't mean using your mobile phone, speeding, and driving aggressively. Especially around vulnerable road users.
When that's settled, maybe pedestrians would like to be slightly less fuckwitted in their selfish and aggressive actions on the roads.Finally, cyclists can then feel safe to do the same.
Whacky road layouts and unenforcable laws haven't stopped the deaths. And they won't.
Agreed.
I know that this is the law anyhow, but it needs to be enforced FFS.
Also, insurance companies should promote the fact that if you are involved in an incident with a cyclist whilst driving a car, it is you who shall have to prove you are innocent and if you are not, a long prison sentence and a feckin' big fine will land on your doorstep.
Hit 'em in the pocket and that will make unruly motorists think twice.
I believe that motorists in France avoid cyclists because the paperwork is a nightmare if caught in a collision. Hence they avoid cyclists. It's not because they have a national bike race and are brought up with an understanding of bike culture, but I'm sure that helps.
I drive a car and don't behave like a tit, so I don't see why others get away with behaving like one. If drivers are caught driving a car without a licence/insurance etc. then throw the book at them and let them rot. End of.
Except that it's not that cut & dried, is it.
It never is, but I've never seen a headline on a national newspaper promoting cyclists rights in my lifetime.
Let's not fuck it up!
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^^ & ^^^ This. The more I find out about this campaign the more it angers me as it is obviously a bunch of motorists putting forward ideas that they think will make cycling safer with no real research done as a knee-jerk reaction to a junior colleague that was tragically very severely injured while cycling.